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I was formerly theunicyclegirl but now I am GorillaWarfare. Thought I'd warn you. ;) --GorillaWarfare talk 18:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ITESM Campus Toluca

I would like to know if your class begins tomorrow or the day after. I live in the US, so tomorrow will be Labor Day. Please reply on my talk page.Laleena 21:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't see the user-groups yet. Good luck! Laleena 20:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Just dropping by to wish you the best of luck with this project! Cheers, Neranei (talk) 20:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] When?

So what day are we getting the adoptees? J-stan TalkContribs 02:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Nice to see the enthusiasm!! Be patient just a little while longer. I had them look at the pages associated with the project last night and will have them create userpages tonight. Thelmadatter 13:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
Oh cool, so we should expect them within the next week or so? J-stan TalkContribs 14:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
I expect you should start seeing them within the week. Watch this discussion page and the Nav Bar, as soon as they notify me of the existence of their userpages, it will be in both places. You dont have to wait for them to come to you if you want to get started. Next week they have to give presentations on aspects of Wikipedia to help oriente themselves and the rest of the class.Thelmadatter 14:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
Oh, boy! I can hardly wait! *User shakes with anticipation* Arky ¡Hablar! 16:36, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
    • User page created**

Miss this is our userpage, check it out!!! 132.254.138.70 18:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)User:APPLETEAM132.254.138.70 18:34, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, Appleteam! Arky ¡Hablar! 18:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Problem with student accounts

Whoa, whoa, are you all different people working on the same account? That can be considered a compromised account and you can be blocked under that name. If you are all User:Appleteam, consider creating separate accounts. But anyway, Welcome! J-stan TalkContribs 18:56, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
for the purposes of the class I want students to work in groups under the same username. See nav bar. They will be working in groups as they contribute to Wikipedia... it is better if they speak with "one voice" instead of communicating separately with mentors and other wikipedians... less chaos. I hope this can be acceptable.Thelmadatter 19:08, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
I looked at the blocking policy and if I understand it correctly, this should not be a violation unless there is disruption. I dont see how this will be disruptive. Thelmadatter 19:22, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
I don't see how separate usernames could create "chaos", just have each mentor create a subpage on their user page for each group to watch, and that way, it all stays organized. It might not be disruptive, but I know there's something against compromised accounts. J-stan TalkContribs 19:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I've found it. This policy states specifically that "you are not allowed to share your account or password with others." I'm sorry, but the group accounts have to go. J-stan TalkContribs 20:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Who do I ask for some kind of special exception? I am too far along into this project to have this kind of problem. I want them to have an account so that they learn to integrate into the Wikipedian community but I dont want mentors writing the same thing on 4 different userpages. or getting the same question from 4 people. I also dont want to be monitoring about 60 individual pages and trying piece together how the group interacted with their mentors and each other. I discussed this with Richard some time back on this or the school project page.Thelmadatter 20:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
That's where my suggestion comes in. Lot's of administrator coaches create a "coaching" subpage. Each mentor could have a subpage, and their group could discuss things on that page. You would only have to watch about 5, depending on your number of students. J-stan TalkContribs 20:21, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
I have over 40 people who have volunteered to mentor, enough to have multiple mentors for each group. Not having their own page IMHO takes away from the Wikipedia experience. If I cant get around the ban against group pages, maybe I can have subpages on my username for each group. But really, it would be better to have some kind of exception to policy in this case.Thelmadatter 20:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
Also, of course, you could create a "Class" page of your own in userspace, like User:Thelmadatter/Students, which might have the various individual student user pages linked to it, maybe even indicating the individual student's specialty. That might be a way of "centralizing" the students. You might also ask each student who has created their own userpage to make their individual user talk pages redirects to a "group" talk page. I think wikipedia policy would permit an individual user to turn their individual talk page into a redirect to another, multi-user, talk page. Also, I've contacted the presumptive founder of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Classroom coordination, and hope that that party might be contacting you as the opportunity permits. With any luck, she'll have a better idea of what is possible here. John Carter 20:31, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

It is my understanding of the GFDL that having multiple people editing under one username violates the GFDL as each author's contributions should be attributed to that individual. Other's with a better understanding of the GFDL may want to step in this discussion. Granted, I have not investigated what exactly you are doing here, but if you are wanting each team to have one ID and then edit the same userpage, you could have all students create an ID and then assign a team leader and have all members of that team edit on that person's talk page.↔NMajdan•talk 20:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

I think that giving each user their own userspace, and then have a separate mentoring page (in your userspace, or each mentor's userspace) for each group is a great idea. Giving each student their own userspace certainly adds to the wikipedia experience, it doesn't take away from it. J-stan TalkContribs 20:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately, we cannot make an exception since allowing multiple editors to edit under one acct violates WP:U and WP:GFDL, just to name a few. However, we can try to come up with a solution that allows your students to continue with their project on Wikipedia. Again, you can have all your students create individual accounts and then assign them to edit only one user's talk page. Or you can create subpages on your username (such as User:Thelmadatter/Group1, User:Thelmadatter/Group2, etc) and have them edit that. Each individuals edits must be attributable to that user's ID, and that is impossible when multiple editors use one ID.↔NMajdan•talk 20:53, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Here is a possible solution. I created a subpage of the Project Page Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Appleteam and the students can put there usernames (when they all have them) on this page. They communicate with mentors and others about their school-related projects here and here only. On their personal pages, they can do whatever they like, but I will not be checking them. Is that acceptable?Thelmadatter 22:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Sure, that sounds good. You should create pages like this for each group. Would you like me to mentor Appleteam?
Also, what are you going to do about User:Appleteam?J-stan TalkContribs 22:44, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
you can go to Appleteams page and volunteer but give me a little time to get students settled. This is going to complicate things immensely for them and Wikipedia is not the most intuitive site to get around in. Ill let you know about the already-establish userpages as soon as I talk to my students. Thelmadatter 22:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
I established group pages for Appleteam, ZYANYA06 and Copitas atAppleteam,ZYANYA06,Copitas and I left messages for them at the userpages I created. Its going to be messy but hopefully I can get all the group pages up quickly.Thelmadatter 23:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
OK. By the way, you don't have to type your username after the four swing-dashes. J-stan TalkContribs 02:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I received a request to take a look at this situation and I have to agree: because of GDFL copyright licensing issues it's beyond the power of individual editors - or even administrators - to approve role accounts. You might try e-mailing the Wikimedia Foundation, but really it's better to have the individual students register individual accounts. You could still keep things fairly straightforward by assigning sequential usernames, such as...

  • Appleteam1
  • Appleteam2
  • Appleteam3
  • Orangeteam1
  • Orangeteam2
  • Orangeteam3

I hope that solves your dilemma. Feel free to contact me at my user talk if you have further questions. Best regards, and thanks for incorporating Wikipedia into your class. DurovaCharge! 02:44, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] user page created

ZYANYA06 19:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)ZYANYA06ZYANYA06 19:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

why doesnt this link to a valid userpage? Thelmadatter 19:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
Not sure, although the actual account does exsit (see here). Perhaps when they created the account they thought they'd made a userpage. Ah well, Arky ¡Hablar! 19:28, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi teacher, We´d just made our user page [1] Mexico Japan 19:39, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Mexico_Japan


Hi teacher, this is our user pageCopitas 19:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)Copitas

Welcome to wikipedia! I just wanted to post to let you know that when you sign your messages, you don't need to type your username out after the ~~~~, the software will figure it out on its own. To demonstrate, if I type in '~~~~', the software returns my full signature: --ST47Talk·Desk 21:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Zyasel88 18:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 18:02, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi teacher!! my personal page created, Zyanya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ktiianas

[edit] Contributing/mentoring via watchlist

Leigh, I'd like to contribute to your great project, but the word "mentor" gives me hives. I'd rather add pages to my watchlist and edit an article or discuss via talk page as something catches my attention, but don't know if that would be helpful if you already have too many editors helping out. Good luck and many halos for you. Flowanda | Talk 01:47, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

That would be great! Welcome! Thelmadatter 13:44, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter


Fortitudodei88 17:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)Fortitudodei88Fortitudodei88 17:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userpage creation was succesfull

[edit] 100 word assignment

Students, while I appreciate the kind words, what I really want is your thoughts about what you have read on this discussion page. I dont really see anything in these 3 writings that indicate that you read these pages. Thelmadatter 16:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

[edit] Mentors

Hello. I am one of the mentors with my name on your list of mentors. I was wondering whether you would be assigning your students to us, or whether you would rather we just simply help out. Essentially, I am trying to ask the following: will they be coming to us, or should we be going to them? --דניאל - Dantheman531 02:30, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Either way... in the end, it is the students' responsibility to make sure that they have the help they they need; however, if mentors approach them, Im sure it will be appreciated. I have told them to work on their group pages, so that in case any of you guys want to take the initiative, you have some idea who you are contacting. I thought about assigning mentors, but decided against it because I felt it would take away some from the "wikipedia experience" and I didnt want students coming to me to fix their problems if a mentor disappeared. Thelmadatter 13:36, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
What do you mean "Wikipedia experience"? You've used that before, and as a new user, what does the "wikipedia experience" mean to you? J-ſtan TalkContribs 14:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I have described Wikipedia as a "culture" and a "society". Like becoming part of any society, one must experience the disorientation of learning how to function within that culture. That includes culture clash (where values collide, as they did with the discussion about group user pages) and culture shock (the feeling of disorientation as you are trying to learn a complete set of rules). As their teacher, I am required to guide them through the experience but I cannot and should not explain everything to them. I doubt too many Wikipedians learned how to contribute to this by having someone over their shoulder, explaining every question they had to them in person. One of the priniple goals of this course is to show how communicating effectively in a foreign language requires more than knowing grammar, vocabulary etc. It requires learning how, when, where, what and whom to communicate ... all of these are based on the society/culture at hand. While most people never get to travel to a country where the target language is spoken, the Internet provides opportunties to integrate oneself in outside communities. And Wikipedia is a community. Hope this clarifies. Thelmadatter 14:20, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter
I guess that clarifies. I also think it would be a help to the mentors if the groups were more active. J-ſtan TalkContribs 14:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes it would. Unfortunately, many students do not jump the gun as fast as we would like. Many students wait until deadlines are looming before doing what they need. I have set some intermediate deadlines and warned them that one way to show repect to you guys is to start responding. And lets face it... Wikipedia is a bit daunting! Thelmadatter 14:44, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

[edit] 100 WORDS ASSIGNMENT FROM THE _ PANCAKES

These were the topics that we think are the most important. -USERBOXES -MUNICIPALITIES AS A TOPIC And this is why: As we read in the comments, we like the idea of using Mexican municipalities as a topic . For example we would talk about some place we have visited. As Cancùn, Acapulco or maybe Toluca.But we don´t want to only put information like location, weather, etc. But also to put our experiences in that place, and why people from all over the world should visit that place.

As we read in the discussion we don`t think that infoboxes should be necessary. Maybe because it would take a lot of time doing them. And we may not be focusing on what we are writting. It is important to read these comments because they may help us in doing our project. Userpage Userpage


 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.254.101.49 (talk) 22:16, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
  • (from a mentor) Writing on a place in Mexico sounds like a very good idea, in my opinion, except that the bigger cities probably have articles already. Category:Cities in Mexico and List of cities in Mexico will show you what we have so far.
Perhaps a small city, or perhaps a monument or attraction within a city? Or maybe something from history. For instance, we have an article on Tenochtitlan, and on Cancun, but we do not have an article on Ruinas del Rey or El Meco or Punta Sam.
Please be careful about writing about your own experiences. Wikipedia has a policy against original research and we ask that facts be backed up by citations as much as possible. In practice some of our articles fall short of having references, but all of our Wikipedia:Featured articles and Wikipedia:Good articles have references.
How does referencing work in practice? As an example, let's say you know a fact, like "____ is a popular hotel nearby and they offer daily tours of this site". Instead of just writing that in, you would first find some other website or magazine or other source that also says this. Then you would site that source.
Your mentors can help you with formatting the references.
Good luck with whatever you choose! Johntex\talk 00:41, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 words assignment from ZYANYA06 group

Firstly, what we read in your user page was mainly about the main reason why you decided to use Wikipedia as the focus and goal of the course. The way how using an internet resource such as Wikipedia will help us in order to learn more about foreign people and their countries. To put in practice the topics discussed in class such as cultural adaptation. Understand that submitting an article in Wikipedia entail a great responsibility as it will be read by many people. Secondly, in your discussion page are just talks you have with other users. Most outstanding discussions are about on how they are concerned of our projects and the way they could help us.

Yacopop 02:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 words from AppleTeam

In your main page, we can see the reason why, you want us to made this project.It is important to know about vocabulary and grammar, but we should be able to interact with native english speakers. Using wikipedia would let us understand and interact with the "real world". Reading your user page let us understand better the things that we are going to learn.This project will made us confront a different enviroment. Wikipedia its not an easy thing and we have to learn somethings by ourselves. The discussion let us see different points of view. Mentors, who have years working on Wikipedia discuss things that they think are right. It is also important to read their opinions and create one of our own. Mentors and people everywhere can participate of this project.It would be really helpful and we will learn alot. We as a team are really excited about this new oportunity.We will have a new experience.We believe it would teach us a lot.User:189.139.22.97 00:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)blueapple23

[edit] Link to our group page.Appleteam

Also here is our link to the group page.It is in the navigation bar but anyway![[2]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blueapple23 (talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 words from Mexico_Japan

In your user page you explain us why it is important to write an article in Wikipedia.As you´ve said, not only will it help us to improve our english knowledge, but also to learn more about other cultures. Indeed, people from other countries will learn more about Mexico. That´s why in your discussion page you mention that it is important that we write about issues from our country.You also mentioned that what will help us to improve our english is the project of editing an article or the translating one, and finally to write or own. In your discussion page we can see that mentors also like the idea of this project. They are making a great effort to help use to write very interesting and helpful things. Echg07 21:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)Echg07 comment added by Echg07 (talk • contribs) 21:17, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 words from Copitas

Hi teacher! We saw a lot of conversation here. We must had read your discussion page like 2 or 3 times to understand what was going on. This, how you said "Wikipedia experience", is quite nice. All is new, and here we can realize how many people are involved. We think we can learn about many of the suggestions they did to you. We didn’t think there would be that amount of people that want to help us. We realize that when you write or do something wrong a lot of folks are going to tell you. This project is different and interesting. We love the fact that this is team work.DanielaB 17:46, 11 September 2007 (UTC)DanielaB 15:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)DanielaB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Copitas —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.57.22.253 (talk) 04:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 words from Lirdoco Team

We liked a lot your main page because finally we understood perfectly how Wikipedia will help us. As you said "The only way to learn to write and to learn how to interact in a "foreign" environment is to do it", this is true and we believe that it doesn´t matter how much grammar and vocabulary you know, it is important to know how to interact with foreign people in different ways. What you mention about helping each other and don´t divide the word is a good way to develop teamwork. About your disscussion page, we will like to have all of those realations you have with many users of wikipedia because it´s always good to have a friend and someone that could support you.----- Lirdoco


[edit] 100 Words from From_the_south

In the discussion page we saw a lot of comments about our wikipedia project. Doubts about the problem we had creating a group page. Mentors interested in our wikiproject and interested in being our mentors. We also saw some help requests related with the wikiproject. In the discussion page it is explained that because of wikipedia policy we could not make our group pages as planned at the beginning of the period. In your page there is a navigator bar. Under the link of “project pages” are given the instructions for the wikiproject. There are also links for bibliography we will need and for our group pages.

----- from the south —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.254.137.68 (talk) 21:04, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 words from Lovely Girls Team

According to your user page, we found this project to be a new experience in our lives. Although some of us have already experience new cultures, it is the first time we experience with a big audience. By reading your discussion page, it does seem kind of hard to start getting use to this environment. We know it will take us some time to understand all the policies and functions of the server, but the mentors will help us out with those problems (at least we hope so). It is still kind of confusing, but we will manage it somehow. ----- Hitoko

[edit] 100 words from Taco Team

We found the whole wikipedia project interesting because it’s not a common assignment and we had never been part of something like this. We also find it kinda difficult because we’re not used to contributing in such a large encyclopedia as wikipedia is. The fact that there are many mentors to help us in whatever we need is cool and helpful. It makes us feel safe and somehow also more encouraged to do a good job. Event though user boxes are fun, they use way too much space. We read the article about Mexican music and we laughed out loud. We hope we don't offend anyone with this but it's just that most of the information is inaccurate. At some point we'd like to contribute with some improvements for it. Finally, we’d like to write an article about Mexican food (pozole, mole, tacos, enchiladas, tamales, etc) because we're fond of mexican cuisine! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.254.136.231 (talk) 18:31, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Userbox

Here is the userbox of mexico:

This user hopes to be Mexican citizen the next year.

Now you only need to add the code of the userbox to your user page, and then you are going to have the small code and not this longer one.----- Lirdoco 05:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)Lirdoco

Yacopop 02:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC) Yacopop Yacopop 02:52, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you!!!

Thelmadatter 13:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] International All Stars 100 words

The discussion board is definitely a source designed to provide us help. We can find there instructions to make our Wikipedia article the best as possible. Some of them are related with info-boxes, whose purpose is to support ideas and explain them by giving examples. Info-boxes are not necessarily indispensable for assignments, but certainly, they had become a way for “synthesizing” information. Mentors are one of the most important subjects in the reading. These people offer their help to students and consequently, they will answer questions, clarify doubts and will try to be in touch whenever someone needs it. They had also reorganized pages to avoid any confusion and divided them in some useful categories. It was funny when they began to talk about the teacher’s name. Maybe mentors were trying to figure out where her last name came from. We laugh when they guessed about its origin. Sharing an account became such a problem, but finally a great solution was given. We think this is the best way to be assist with any hesitation. In conclusion, the group can truly affirm that this project will be a marvelous improvement for our second language. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crisp26 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

I think this is a project that won't just help us with comunication in English. Personally, since I am not from México, I feel it will help me adjust to this new environment, this culture I'm trying to be a part of. The teacher is right when she says speaking a foreing language is not just learning grammar and vocabulary, it is also learning how to adapt to the different situations that we will experience. I find it impressive how eassy is comunicating between Wikipedians, and how they help each other in order to become a trustable community. We also appreciate a lot the fact that people who doesn't even know us, it is going to help us with our projects this semester. In the discussion page, there are a lot of topics. In this page you can make all the comments you want about the articles, the way they are written, if they are missing something or stuff like that. Finally i think this project was a great idea, it becomes a big part of our prepartion for all the things we will be doing in a near future. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alejandrajustiniano05 (talk • contribs) 02:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Interesting project idea

I like it. If you are interested, I managed to get on to Wikipedia in February and now have 4 featured articles including one on the main page today. For bonus points on their projects, I'd like to see your students see if they can get an article to Featured Article status. It would really be a crowning achievement for them...but that's just my two cents...aw crap, that's an idiom...how about "that's what I think; take it for what it's worth." — BQZip01 — talk 22:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

that would be wonderful! I suggest that you look at the group pages (on the navigation bar on my user page) and see which group or groups you would like to work with and watch their page(s). This is kinda off to a slow start as students are a bit disoriented in this environment. They dont have to start writing actual contributions until Oct. (see the syllabus page (under Project Pages in the nav bar) for their Wikipedia-based assignments) Thelmadatter 16:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the barnstar!

My first one, even. It's my WikiFairy nature to tidy things up like that. --Geniac 14:54, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Groups and Mentors table

I have created a table of Groups, Students and Mentors at Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Groups. I think this table would be useful to help determine who is in each group and who is mentoring that group. I got the table started and started filling it out. Then I thought that this would be a useful exercise for each group. All they need to do is put their names in the appropriate box in the Students column and the name of their mentor in the Mentor column. If they can do this with wikilinks, that's even better.

Another advantage to having them do this is that they can learn the power of transclusion. Note that, even though Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Groups is in Wikipedia space and not Template space, it can still be transcluded just like a template. Your students can notice that any change to Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Groups is reflected in both Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Students and Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mentors.

If you don't want to use up limited instruction and assignment time having the students fill it out, I can finish the table myself. It just takes time and I figured the students would benefit more from the experience than I would.

--Richard 16:55, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I see the table appears in the Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Students. I think that is a better place for it instead of creating yet another new project page. Plus that page is already in the Nav Bar. I will instruct students to fill in as best they can. They are doing presentations about Wikipedia this week and we seem to have about 15 min each day to work on stuff. Where's the email you promised me??? :PThelmadatter 17:11, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SALCs

See the talk page for feedback. — BQZip01 — talk 21:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Laleena

I am considering leaving mentorship here due to my conscience. Laleena 23:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Im sorry to see you go. If there is anything specific you would like to tell me, please send me an email. Thelmadatter 14:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
First, I can't send you an e-mail. Second, I will stay on the mentorship, but I do not agree with some of your viewpoints. Laleena 12:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Templates mentor

Would you like me to take one of your more advanced groups and teach them how to create basic templates, or not? themcman1 talk 17:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

If I can butt in here... we have to be mindful that this is not a course in Wikipedia but rather a course in English that happens to use Wikipedia as a teaching tool. If there are students that want to learn how to use templates, that's great but otherwise the focus should be on writing articles and interacting with mentors rather than on technical details of how to use Wikipedia.
--Richard 17:28, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
I have to agree. If you get specific requests to do so, fine but creation of templates or images or infoboxes does not count towards their grade for contributing to Wikipedia. Any conversing you due this month with them about creating such counts towards their "networking" assignment... as long as it is all done in English, of course. Thelmadatter 18:55, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tim Nomber Juan 100 words

Reading this discussion page has been very interesting. Interaction is very important in wikipedia so we have to adapt to this system. An interesting thing that we saw is how easy mistakes are corrected by other people who only wants to help you. Here we have to deal with foreing people and accept to be corrected or trashed but it is only to help us and nothing else (we hope). The discussion page is a source designed to write all your doubts and questions about Wikipedia, in order to be answered. The main topics were about the info-boxes to provide a synthesis of the information. Also about the people requesting to become a mentor to help us in our projects. Finally we think that the Wikipedia project will improve our english.Christian Panchana 02:02, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Los Boogeys 100 words

According with the user page, we are going to have a new experience as writers and also as wikipedians. For this project we have to have an open mind, because we are going to interact with people from different culture. A good thing of Wikipedia is that we have mistakes somebody can correct them. Also this project will improve our skills as writers. In the short time that we have in Wikipedia we have found some people that is very helpful. comment added by Diego Callejas (talk • contribs) 00:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Idea

I noted a lot of your students have expressed a wide variety of interests: food, beer, etc. Although it is kind of out of date (I'm working on updating it right now), they might find it useful to refer to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory to see if there are any extant projects which deal with their given subjects, and maybe contact them when they start work on related articles. Just an idea. John Carter 19:08, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re: changing name of article

Done. See Help:Moving a page; "click on the "Move" tab near the top of the page". --Geniac 14:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Be sure to let your students know that moving a page is easy, maybe too easy. Moving a page can be contentious. If the name change is purely about spelling, it's less of a problem although sometimes even the spelling of a name can be the subject of heated and, unfortunatedly, even vitriolic debate.
Anyone can move a page but anyone else can move it back and sometimes this leads to "move wars". Unless a move is clearly uncontroversial, it's a good idea to ask on the Talk Page first and then wait a few days to see if anyone objects. This is a rule of thumb that I often violate but I also get slapped around every so often when I get too bold. Help your students avoid this unpleasantness. Advise them to use this feature carefully. --Richard 16:24, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MasamiS

Hi teacher, I'm from the MexicoJapan group. I'm finding your page and this project quite great, this will improve our english so much. I've seen some of your articles (ex:machaca) I've been thinking that for my project I can improve some of your articles about our culture. Also I think your user page is very well distributed for us the students, so we found very easy to read the articles and in our team we found that the response of the mentors is incredible. We never thought we had such an amazing response to this project. We are currently reading the article a mentor gave us to iniciate our wikipedia project. I hope our contribitions will make a better user page and improve the wikipedia community. (MasamiS 18:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC))


[edit] External links in Syllabus

A Round Tuit.
A Round Tuit.

Thelmadatter, I see this was mentioned above (#Formatting tweaks, 5P)... were you going to need the Syllabus page printed out? If so, it makes sense to leave all those links and hard external links. Otherwise, do you agree it would look better with wikilinks? One other question I had was this: I noticed a few of the groups are... well... really quiet and haven't edited much yet. Is that a cause for concern, or are they not expected to have done much yet? --Geniac 14:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes...wikilinks would be much better ... gosh darn it, I just never get that "roundtuit" thingy I need to fix that little problem. No editing yet, That will start the first week of October. This "partial" was just first creating a presence in Wikipedia and brainstorming ideas for the contributions of the third partial (~October) and 4th partial/final project (first 2 weeks in November. I know this is slower most Wikipedians operate but students are doing other projects and assignments as well and this allows for time for mixups and problems--- which we have had!Thelmadatter 16:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Good point and I understand the need for taking a slower pace. I changed the URLs on the Syllabus page to wikilinks and reworded things slightly around them. --Geniac 18:16, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the Round Tuit! Just what I needed hee hee hee hee Thelmadatter 17:51, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE:Translations from English to Spanish Wikipedia

There is no strict protocol for translating English-language to Spanish, and it certainly is not limited to featured articles. Sadly, articles from Word may not be uploaded to Wikipedia. What you can do is do the article in Word, copy-and-paste it to the edit box, create the article, and then wikify (format) it. --Agüeybaná 21:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Borbotones Team!! Contribution

==100 WORDS: BORBOTONES TEAM!==

ABOUT YOUR USER AND DISCUSSION PAGE:

Nowadays the world is becoming smaller day by day. The main reason of this is the fast growing of means of communication. One of them, if not the most powerful is the Internet. Your discussion and user page helps us to realize the importance of networking as a good strategy for solving problems or starting a group project. It also represents a bigger confrontation with an English public that can’t be developed in a classroom. We learned from your conversations with mentors that some aspects we don’t know can be clarified by other people even if they aren’t from our culture or country. As you said Wikipedia is a community and we would probably have to deal with problems like disorientation but we have to consider that human can adapt to every environment.

MORE SPECIFIC OPINIONS ABOUT DISCUSSION PAGE:

*About e-mail and interviews as a formal reference: In Mexico it’s considered that an e-mail or interview is a reliable source when it comes from a recognized and well know people or group of people. Even APA considers e-mail as a source. This is the way to cite them: Author > URL > Subject > Date > Name of the server used (hotmail, yahoo…)

*Infoboxes: they are a good tool if you want to have your pages organized. However as Richard tells us, don’t waste too much time with them because the project is for upgrading English skills not editing Wikipedia.

*Translating from English to Spanish (articles): I think that translating an article from English to Spanish is not a big problem. However we are humans and of course we make mistakes. We should check spelling and redaction when finishing translating so that your article will not be a “run-on”.

*Titles and signature: About the discussion page we would like to invite users to use Titles because sometimes it was a little difficult to follow the conversation. EDGAR-ENCASTIN 03:31, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

TEAM PAGE:Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Borbotonesteam —Preceding unsigned comment added by EDGAR-ENCASTIN (talk • contribs) 03:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

While it is true that emails can be accepted as valid sources in academic papers, Wikipedia does not accept them due to the inability to verify. The only way anyone at Wikipedia has for verification realitically is to be able to go to the source itself to check. While a regular publisher may have the resources to go and contact the knowledgable person who wrote the email, WP does not. That is the principle reason we cannot use emails as sources.Thelmadatter 15:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logging in

Thelmadatter, could you please remind your students to log in before commenting? It helps you by giving you better access to all their work, and helps us by letting us know who is trying to communicate with us. Thanks. J-ſtanTalkContribs 14:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 shocked head words

We think that this Project is very ambitious because of its goals. First of all the project not only help us learning more about English, it also help us interacting with people. The way we can interact with people is not only by finding help in mentors and talking to them, the interaction is done since uploading an article or a comment. On the other hand, by uploading comments or updating our group pages, we got corrections or even disappointments. As we have read, we will have to upload a stub in the third partial in order to complete our assignments and we find it very interesting. The reason we think that is the fact that the stub wont be helpful only for us, but every Wikipedian on the web. --Flea 1100962 02:56, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 100 words, park lovers

Sorry teacher I hadn't done this before... well during my "surf" here I could notice there were some probles during Account Creation, due to the fact that J told you it was prohibited to share an account and a password with other people. I found it good, because in that case you can "protect" yourself for being used as "bad example" in wikipedia. I hadn't thought about the fact that it is not really easy to organize all these pages, but reading what the mentors did to your page and how they helped me to reorganize mine, i finally came to the idea it is a hard work. I know not only surfing here is a "contribution" to wikipedia, I've come to the conclusion that using wikipedia can be accurate if we all help to do so. Arezvik 19:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Working on Toluca page

Next week (Oct 1-4), my students will be working on the page about Toluca Mexico to improve it (our school is located here). You can help by looking at the page and making comments about what needs to be improved on the page on Talk:Toluca. In particular, comment on things needed to wikify the page and/or things that you, as a "foreigner" find confusing and/or incomplete. As residents here, I'm sure my students will also think of things that need to be changed or added. Thelmadatter 14:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] How do I archive?

Now that students are done looking at my old messages, how do I archive them? Thelmadatter 14:19, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

First You have to create an archive subpage of your talk page. Then all you have to do is move them there in chronological order depending on when the discussion was first started. See Help:Archiving a talk page for more. I actually have a bot archive my talk page for me. You might not want that because some of these discussions might be relevant later. J-ſtanTalkContribs 14:50, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Working on Toluca and State of Mexico page

Next week (Oct 1-4), my students will be working on the page about Toluca Mexico and State of Mexico to improve them (our school is located here). You can help by looking at the page and making comments about what needs to be improved on the page on Talk:Toluca. In particular, comment on things needed to wikify the page and/or things that you, as a "foreigner" find confusing and/or incomplete. As residents here, I'm sure my students will also think of things that need to be changed or added.

Thanks for the update! Btw, State of Mexico isn't an article; it's a redirect to México (state), which I see you have piped in your wikilink. I thought I'd point this out in case somebody thinks your students will be editing the redirect and not the article. I advise using actual article titles when talking about them when possible; it's usually simpler and clearer. Btw also, can you remind your students to always log in before editing? Thanks! --Geniac 19:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Working on Toluca and State of Mexico page

Next week (Oct 1-4), my students will be working on the page about Toluca Mexico and State of Mexico to improve them (our school is located here). You can help by looking at the page and making comments about what needs to be improved on the page on Talk:Toluca. In particular, comment on things needed to wikify the page and/or things that you, as a "foreigner" find confusing and/or incomplete. As residents here, I'm sure my students will also think of things that need to be changed or added.

Thanks for the update! Btw, State of Mexico isn't an article; it's a redirect to México (state), which I see you have piped in your wikilink. I thought I'd point this out in case somebody thinks your students will be editing the redirect and not the article. I advise using actual article titles when talking about them when possible; it's usually simpler and clearer. Btw also, can you remind your students to always log in before editing? Thanks! --Geniac 19:45, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] MfD nomination of Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan

Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan, a page you created, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:School and university projects/ITESM Campus Toluca/Mexico Japan during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. The Evil Spartan 01:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry, the result was keep :) J-ſtanTalkContribs 02:03, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summary

Please encourage your students to always type something into the edit summary; it is an important habit to exhibit as a good Wikipedian.--Appraiser 19:23, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Credit Assignment

Hi miss, here I send you the links to my contribution. I upload an image of the sign that is in the freeway to go to Laguna Beach..is it ok??
Thank you for your time,
Miguel Rodriguez (1162272)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Laguna_Beach_%281%29.jpg
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laguna_Beach
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Laguna_Beach_%281%29.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmiguelrd (talk • contribs) 23:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
PD: If you want me to proove you that I took the picture I can take my laptop the the class to show you that I have plenty of pictures that I took in that trip. Bye.

I reverted Lmiguelrd's edit to the Laguna Beach article because the photo does not add value to the article and is formatted too small as well. Here is a link to the revision that has the photo in it so you can check his work.
--Richard 06:07, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I did check and I have to agree with Richard. You will need to upload a different photo to get credit. Try to upload a photo from where you live instead of from vacation. You are more likely to find something that does add to the related article.Thelmadatter 18:39, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

New Photo uploaded
Hi miss, here I send you the links to my new contribution. I upload an image of the twelve angle rock, the most famous rock of all the Inca walls. It is famous because of it's perfection and also because it has 12 angles. This rock is even the image of the most famous beer in my country (Perú), "Cuzqueña". I took the photograph in my trip to Cuzco. Thank you for your time, Miguel Rodriguez (1162272) Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto_PC_207.jpg
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuzco#Gallery
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Piedra_de_12_angulos.jpg#Summary

Very interesting. Galleries are nice but not really very informative. It just makes me want to ask if you couldn't find a place for this picture where you can put some text describing what the Inca Wall is and why this stone is interesting. I'm guessing that it is because the stone mason's carefully carved 12 angles so that this stone could fit into the wall. Is there enough text to write an article on the Inca Wall? Is this wall known by that name? You could also upload a picture of a bottle of Cuzqueña and use it to support the point about the notability of this stone.
--Richard 23:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you could incorporate it into Dry stone? Cheers, ( arky ) 02:38, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I just discovered that there is another picture of the 12 angle stone here.
--Richard 03:16, 6 October 2007 (UTC)Ok, I will ask my dad to take a picture of the bottle of Cuzqueña and send it to me.


NEW Photo uploaded Hi miss, here I send you the links to another contribution. Hope this time it is ok. I upload an image of footpath in Pisac.It is a very dangerous way because it is very narrow.
Thank you for your time,
Miguel Rodriguez (1162272)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto_PC_283.jpg
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%ADsac
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto_PC_283.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmiguelrd (talk • contribs) 21:16, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

PHOTO OF LAS DUNAS RESORT UPLOADED Hi miss and Richard here I send you the links to another contribution. Now I have uploaded a photograph of Las Dunas Resort, that is located in Ica. I consider it as touristic because this is the most popular resort in this city and many people just go to Ica to go there. This resort is behind the dunes and people go there to do Sunboard.You can also do tubulars here. Tubulars are a kind of car design specially for the sand.I have photographs of my brother and me doing that sport, but as I apeared with him I do not know if I can upload that. I always spend Christmas in this resort, so I took this photo my las Christmas there.
Thank you for your time,
Miguel Rodriguez (1162272)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC00048.JPG

Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ica_%28city%29#Tourism
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC000481.JPG

For the purposes of the extra credit assignment, I certainly accept all that you have done here. I think this photo of Las Dunas will probably stay, esp. if you upgrade this article a little to include a mention of the resort. Thelmadatter 14:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo of ITESM

Hi miss.

Im sending the links to my image contribution. The picture is of our school (ITESM).

link to the image in the Wikipedia article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca#Education

link to the Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Tec_explanada.jpg

I dont know why it appear so big.¿¿?? Nathaly07 19:48, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Who put this up? You werent signed in when you posted here or put up the photo. Thelmadatter 20:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, When I save the photo in the commons I sign. But when I put the photo I forgot to sign. Nathaly07 14:02, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

OK but Im trying to attach your username to a real name. Thelmadatter 16:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)Thelmadatter

Ah ok. I`m Laura Zaldívar, Group: 12:30-1:30 Nathaly07 17:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo Assignment

Hi miss, here I send you the links to my contribution. I upload an image of the Cordillera Oriental in Colombia..is it ok??
Thank you for your time, José Luis González (1104406)
Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cordillera_Oriental_de_Colombia.JPG
Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordillera_Oriental_%28Colombia%29
Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cordillera_Oriental_Colombia.JPG

Its fine. 4 points Thelmadatter 20:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing the Toluca and México (state) pages

Mentors and anyone else who is interested... please take a look at the group talk pages of my students (on the navigation bar). On their pages I had them put up how they would like to modify a section of either the Toluca or State of Mexico page, depending on the class section they are in. I have them citing using APA format right now, but we will cover Wikipedia style on Monday. From what I have read, the information found is really good, but pointers on grammar, expression etc. would be appreciated. It would be really nice if they could hear it from someone other than me all the time! :D These modifications are practice to get an idea of what to do for their assignments for this month.Thelmadatter 16:53, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Which groups are doing Toluca and State of Mexico? --Richard 17:05, 6 October 2007 ( )
The 1230 class (groups starting with Appleteam and ending at the space on the navigation bar) is working on the [[Toluca}} page and the 330 class (starting with the now-defunct Threemanteam and to the end) is working on the México (state) article. Their proposals for the revised section they are working on is on their talk pages. Thelmadatter 20:13, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Credit Toluca Pictures

Hello Teacher here are the link of the requested pictures: Link to the Toluca Discussion page (picture)

And the picture:

Link:Image:IMG0021A.jpg

Psicholink 19:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Credit Toluca Assignment(image)

Hello Teacher, I´m Marco Damián, my user is D4m14n marco. Here are the links to the requested pictures:

You can identify the image I uploaded with the caption I added (This is a famous lake located at the top of the Nevado of Toluca.)

Link to the page: [[3]]. ****Nevado de Toluca****

Link to the image: [[4]]. ****Image:Lago.JPG****

HELLO AGAIN TEACHER: I HAVE UPLOADED THE IMAGE IN WIKIPEDIA COMMONS TO HAVE THE FULL CREDIT, HERE ARE THE LINKS:

Link to category where the image is: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Toluca

Link to the image: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Lagonev.JPG

PD: The image is the same but i needed to change the name to LAGONEV because the page told me that lago has already exist.

THANK YOU!!!

D4m14n marco 19:02, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo uploaded

Hi teacher, here are the links to my contribution. I upload an image of the Cosmovitral entrance.

Oscar Moreno Soto (1102042)

Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Cosmovitralentrance.jpg Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca Link to the photograph uploaded in the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cosmovitralentrance.jpg

Yacopop 02:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)YacopopYacopop 02:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

check your discussion page. You didnt upload the image correctly into Wikipedia. Its supposed to be part of an article, not a page in and of itself. Thelmadatter 13:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Photo uploaded

Hi teacher, in order to fix the problem I uploaded a new photo similar to the first one.

Here are the new links to my contribution.

Link to Wikipedia commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:C.Entrance.jpg Link to the article where I upload the photograph: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca Link to the photograph uploaded in the article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:C.Entrance.jpg

Yacopop 01:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)Yacopop

[edit] HELP, PLEASE

Hello teacher, we have already uploaded to wikipedia our contribution of Pemexgate but we can not find how to make the references appear at the end. We followed the instructions as in the Toluca page but it doesn`t work. Could you help us please??? Lirdoco

There are a couple different ways to do this. I suggest that you follow each sentence that you wish to add a reference to with <ref> and </ref>. Your reference information goes between the <ref> and the </ref>. <ref> comes before your reference information and </ref> comes after.
Then, at the end of the article, add a section called "References". Use ==References== to create the section. Then add this line <references />.
That should do it.
I have fixed the Pemexgate article for you. Some attention will be needed to improve the English but it looks like a good start. I will try to come back and look at the English when I have more time.
Good work. Keep it up.
--Richard 23:48, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Isn't Wikipedia grand? (I was going to use the word "ain't" but decided to put my English teacher cap on :D )Thelmadatter 14:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EXTRA CREDIT WIKIPEDIA

Hi miss! I am Maria Belen Rios Vargas(1180943) and here is my extra credit of wikipedia. The links are the following:
Wikipedia article> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Guayaquil&action=edit&section=9
Commons> http://tools.wikimedia.de/~daniel/WikiSense/Gallery.php?wikifam=commons.wikimedia.org&img_user_text=Belen%20Rios Belen Rios PS: I hope they accept my picture
04:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Go to http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:DSC06342.JPG and add a little more description to the photo (country, city etc) so that someone just looking at this photo has a better idea what it is.Thelmadatter 14:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


ok, I extended the description. Is it ok or bigger? http://cursos.itesm.mx/webapps/portal/frameset.jsp?tab=courses&url=/bin/common/course.pl?course_id=_175506_1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Belen Rios (talk • contribs) 21:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

In the section titled DESCRIPTION, I made the changes>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC06342.JPG#Summary

Excellent! you now have full creditThelmadatter 13:54, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Luisito pictures

Hello.. My pictures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DSC00261.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catedral_tol.JPG

Also you can find them posted on the "Wikipedia Requested Photographs" page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Toluca%2C_State_of_Mexico —Preceding unsigned comment added by Flea 1100962 (talk • contribs) 02:00, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Luis ... 1) you need to give permission to Wikimedia to use this image. Go back into the first page and make the change before they delete your image. 2) The image needs to be in the article, not on the article's talk page.Thelmadatter 15:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EXTRA CREDIT ASSIGNMENT

Hi miss I uploaded a photo to the San Andres article, an island from Colombia, the links are:

Link for commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sanandresbeach.jpg Link for the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Andr%C3%A9s%2C_Colombia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dsvargas (talk • contribs) 04:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EXTRA CREDIT ASSIGNMENT

Andrea Lorenzo's pictures (Matricula: A01182326):

LINK FOR COMMONS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:TorosColeados1.jpg LINK FOR ARTICLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alorenz (talk • contribs) 04:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra credit

Eduardo Juayek Bernal 1102008.

LINK FOR THE ARTCLE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cars_in_Mexico#Volkswagen_Sed.C3.A1n LINK TO THE COMMONS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Foto-0078.jpg

132.254.101.49 18:17, 26 October 2007 (UTC)Greenapple18

Give the photo a better description in wikimedia commons.Thelmadatter 13:49, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Credit

Cristina Guerrero Pat 1182322 IIS

LINK

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Sor_Juana_Ines_de_la_Cruz_-_Old_House_Amecameca.JPG

Crisp26 22:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You also need to provide a link to the article in which you put this photo.Thelmadatter 13:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Credit

Daniela Becerril 1101948 Copitas team LINK FOR COMMONS: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:Gordita1.JPG LINK FOR WIKIPEDIA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gordita DanielaB

[edit] THIRD PARTIAL BORBOTONES TEAM

THIRD PARTIAL, BORBOTONES TEAM!!

TRANSLATING AN ARTICLE LINKS:

MODIFIED ARTICLE:

STUB:

I didnt ask you to list your contributions here. Make sure you hand in the portfolio of your contributions and reflective essay today, Mon Oct 29th!Thelmadatter 13:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EXTRA CREDIT

This are the links to wikipedia commons and wikipedia article Wikipedia commons [[5]] Wikipedia Article [[6]] Echg07 17:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)Echg07

The comment of the picture is in Toluca article

But you need to describe the picture in Wikimedia Commons as well.Thelmadatter 13:46, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EXTRA CREDIT

Christian Panchana 1051193

Hi teacher, these are the links: Wikipedia Commons- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hombre_sol.JPG

Wikipedia article- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca%2C_State_of_Mexico#The_CosmovitralChristian Panchana 22:07, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra credit

Andrea Jaramillo 1101902 The photo I uploaded is Toluca´s Cathedral http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Catedra.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca%2C_State_of_Mexico#The_Cathedral http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Catedra.jpg Blueapple23 03:01, 29 October 2007 (UTC)User:Blueapple23

Check Wikimedia Commons. You to fix the copyright status or the photo will be deletedThelmadatter 13:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Photo

Denisse Reyes 1102629 The photo I uploaded is a typical Mexican ball in a cup http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Balero_tipico_mexicano.JPG http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_in_a_cup Den-dede 04:31, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

You need to give permission to wikipedia to use this image. Thelmadatter 13:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

I think now is ok [[7]] Den-dede 04:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picarones Photograph

Hi Miss, I made a stub of Picarones, a traditional and popular dessert in Perú. I asked my mom to go and take pictures of it and of the picarones mix. I have upload them to the stub. Here are the links.

Picarones Stub page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picarones
Picarones wikicommon link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Picarones.JPG
Picarones stub link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Picaronesdessert.JPG
Picarones mix wikicommom link: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Imagen_2.jpg
Picarones mix stub link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Picarones_mix.JPG
Best wishes,
Luis Miguel Rodriguez Doy
1162272

[edit] Picture

Hi teacher, I hope you are better, I uploaded an image for The Temple of La Merced, I asked my mentor if I could upload a picture even if it is not required and he told me I could. Thank you.

Zyanya Ramírez Olmos Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] EXTRA CREDIT, EDGAR ENCASTIN (A01102118 MEMBER OF BORBOTONES TEAM)

Links of the photograph’s commons:

Link to Toluca page where you can find the photographs:

EDGAR-ENCASTIN 00:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Credit, picture

Hi teacher I send you the link of my picture. My picture is View of Whistler from the Cable-car

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistler%2C_British_Columbia#See_alsoDiego Callejas 02:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra Credit

Hello teacher I just realized i hadn't written in your talk page....this is the link for the picture I uploaded...it is the Toluca Page and this is the link...my user name is Arezvik....Thank you...Arezvik 15:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:S2020102.JPG

[edit] Extra Credit (Photo)

Teacher this is the link for the picture I uploaded..TiburoncinMK 17:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galerias_metepec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Galerias_Metepec.JPG

[edit] Navigation bar

Image:Calendário Asteca.jpg was deleted from Commons for being unsourced, so your navbar needs a new picture. I was thinking of Image:Coat of arms of Mexico.svg, Image:TOLUCAPALACIO.JPG or Image:ITESM Entrada principal.JPG. Any other ideas? --Geniac 14:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Not sure. None seem too too representative of this campus. Let me let my students decide.Thelmadatter 14:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
  • There is always Image:Calendario Axteca.png --evrik (talk) 16:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confirmation

Hi teacher I uploaded an image for The Temple of La Merced and you did not include the extra credit for it in my grade, I asked my mentor if I could upload a picture even if it is not required and he told me I could. Thank you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toluca http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Facade_Temple_of_La_Merced.jpg Zyanya Ramírez Olmos Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)Zyasel88Zyasel88 22:36, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra activity

Hello teacher 2007 Tabasco floodI made my contribution is the one of interestings facts. Den-dede 02:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Another editor has removed your text as being inappropriate to that article. I'm sorry but I agree that it doesn't fit with that article. It does, however, seem to be a useful addition to the Tabasco article which is where I have placed your text. I have made some corrections to the text.
  1. "is waiting..." is presumbably a direct translation from the Spanish "está esperando" but this is not colloquial. "is waiting for..." is more better English but still not quite colloquial to express what's really going on. The question here is who is planning the project, who is sponsoring/funding it and who will actually supervise the construction of such a project. Is this a national project or a local/regional project? Is Tabasco awaiting a project being planned, funded and managed by an agency of the national government? If so, "awaiting" or "expecting" are reasonable ways to express this. If, however, Tabasco is the main driver behind this project, then "contemplating", "planning" or "developing" are better ways to express this. I used "contemplating". If this is not the right sense ("sentido" en español) of meaning, then please fix it.
  2. In English, "hydraulic" means "having to do with fluids and liquids" and is a very general term. The phrase that we use in English is "hydroelectric power" or just "hydropower". I'm not sure if you would use "explotación" in this context in Spanish, but you would in English.
  3. "Intensity of rain" is probably not what you mean here. "Intensity" suggests that you are discussing how much rain falls in a short period of time (hours, days). For hydropower, what you need is total volume of annual rainfall. Well, I'm not an expert in hydropower but that's my personal guess.
  4. "is up 3200MW" suggests that the exploitation of hydropower has increased 3200MW ("ha augmentado" en español). The text on the website says "asciende a 3200MW" which translates as "has risen to (a level of) 3200MW". This is an important difference.
  5. Acronyms like CONAE should be in all caps. Using upper and lower case as in "Conae" is confusing. Also, the first time you use an acronym in a document, chapter or major section, spell out the acronym. Since this is Wikipedia, use the English translation (National Commission for Energy Conservation).
Hope this helps.
--Richard 17:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Richard. I will still give this student credit since the information can be used in another article.Thelmadatter 17:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Extra activity

Hi teacher, this is the link to the extra assignment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_wildfires#Baja_CaliforniaChristian Panchana 05:08, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Extra Points

Hi miss, this is the link to the article Baja California we edited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2007_California_wildfires#Baja_California

Alejandra Justiniano Granados 1182325 Cristina Guerrero Pat 1182322

THANKSS!! Crisp26 22:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Final Project_International All Stars

Hi Teacher! This is the link to our Final Project. I hope its OK

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amboro_National_Park

THANK YOU! Crisp26 15:42, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Please see the note on copyright violations on Crisp26 talk page. ---- Bejnar (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FROM THE SOUTH

Hi miss! Here is FROM THE SOUTH final project link. We did our best! Thank you for all!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amecameca


[edit] Extra Activity

Hi miss, the link for the extra credit assignment is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Tabasco_flood#Impact i added the last paragraph about the books damaged

Thanks

Sofia Vargas Sofia Vargas —Preceding comment was added at 21:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Extra Credit

Hi teacher, I uploaded a new section (political consequences) on the 2007 Tabasco flood. I also uploaded the references for the information I put.

Thanks Yacopop (talk) 02:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC)Yacopop

[edit] Re:Adoption

Can I join in the project you are doing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mooncrest (talk • contribs) 16:07, 3 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Two articles on natural disasters need expansion

Hello, I hope that your project is going well. I would like to let you know of two articles that may be of interest. They both need more information added relative to Mexico.

I created 2007 Tabasco flood yesterday. It is currently linked from the Main Page due to the importance of this event, but the article still needs expansion.

Also, the October 2007 California wildfires article includes a brief mention of the fires in Northern Mexico, but this section needs expansion. Could someone please help add information to that part of the article? Best, Johntex\talk 14:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Students have already chosen their topics but I will give these to them as extra credit assignments. Thelmadatter 15:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congrats to all students of Thelmadatter!

WOOOO! First barnstar! J-ſtanTalkContribs 17:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Another thanks! I don't consider myself to be that deserving of such an honour, but I'll take it. ;) Thanks so much, and a big congratulations to all our budding contributors! Special shout-outs to users like Karenpoket and my Los Pancakes who actually took the time to "ignore all rules" and really did an awesome job in contributing! Thanks again! --Jw21/PenaltyKillah VANucks|12-9-2 19:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for the barnstar!

Many thanks for this - I don't think I did nearly enough to deserve it but it's very welcome! I hope your project as a whole went well and that the students got from it the learning they need. Very best wishes - Kim Dent-Brown (Talk to me) 14:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

To abide by the KISS principle, I will just say... ditto! :) --Geniac (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] One good turn deserves another!

Well, the semester went pretty well! So well that over a third of my students increased their TOEFL scores by 20 points or more... very significant! Now comes the good/bad news.... Ive been asked to repeat the course, modified for teachers here at the Tec campus. Oh joy oh joy! Actually, the nice thing is that these are older and (hopefully!) more mature students. They will be working on their contributions to Wikipedia independently, not in groups. Some, however, may be a bit technophobic (despite the fact working at a tech high school/college!). So who wants to mentor again??????Thelmadatter (talk) 17:59, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

That's awesome it went well for you. If you just let people know where to sign up, I'm sure they will in droves again; Wikipedians are, by nature, a giving and helping lot. --Geniac (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I am willing to help, but PLEASE tell your next students to log in, sign their posts, and link to the article or draft that they are working on. Last semester, I pretty much gave up trying to figure out who was asking for help where. Thanks.--Appraiser (talk) 18:37, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
I hear that Appraiser... just one of the many fires I hope to deal with better this time around. I will keep the same mentors page I had before and let people edit their entries (or remove them as the case may be). Mentors pageThelmadatter (talk) 18:44, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Outcome of the English Advanced B class using WP

Please share your thoughts at WP:SUP talk page, too!-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 21:12, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

not sure that page gets enough traffic.... Thelmadatter (talk) 19:43, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] courtesy copy from my talk page

I would like to say that, as an educator, I find your recent comment which states that "it's a bad educator that bans their students from reading Wikipedia"[8] is ignorant, rude, and disrespectful of people who actually know how to teach and have dedicated their lives to doing so. You may revel in amateurism, but professionals can see that this site is a terrible education resource. 1.33% of the Wikipedia is tagged for cleanup alone. It may be interesting as a general trivia site, but it is not something I would permit my students to learn from, whether you call me a 'bad educator' or no. 86.142.48.123 (talk) 16:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I was going to write something here but I was stuck in a meeting this morning for 3 hours *groan* I, too, have to disagree with your statement that Wikipedia should be accepted for schoolwork. You even included the caveat that only articles that are well-cited should be used. What teacher is going to want to analyze every Wikipedia article cited to see if it is acceptable for use? Also, many (if not all) elementary, middle or even high school students would not be able to determine if an article overall has good citations or not. Besides, it is generally accepted that terciary sources are not academically acceptable. I teach my students to use encyclopedias, Wikipedia included, only to begin their research when they have no clue about the topic. Also, there is nothing wrong with chaining to the sources that many entries cite like newspaper articles, books etc but use the information from the original... not the encyclopedia. I write you this as one who uses Wikipedia extensively (see my user page and WP:SUP) for my writing and Advanced EFL classes. Don't throw down the gauntlet to educators... you get the reaction like the one above. However, keep pushing to make Wikipedia better. You are right that students do use it, even if prohibited. Plus, it is proving to be a really excellent way to get students to write and research.Thelmadatter (talk) 19:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


The BBC article is entirely misleading about my remarks. My opinion on the proper use of Wikipedia in the educational environment has not changed one bit. I believe that our anonymous teacher, above, would respond as the audience did: strong applause. The key, of course, is to hear what I actually said, rather than this misreporting. I have asked the BBC to run a correction.
I believe that educators whose entire response to Wikipedia is to tell students not to look at it are in fact bad educators. Good teachers will understand that the right approach is to teach students about the weaknessess - and strengths - of Wikipedia. And to caution them that Wikipedia is not an acceptable source for an academic citation, any more than Britannica is. Thelmadatter, I agree absolutely with your remarks about the use of Wikipedia in the classroom, and based on reading what you have said, I suspect we would have to work really hard in a conversation to find any differences in our opinions at all on these matters.  :-) So, I please innocent.--Jimbo Wales 19:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Oh my god, Jimbo actually talked to you. I'm so envious.
Jimbo, if you're watching, I made the template they use! WLU (talk) 19:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
ha ha ha WLU...dont worry... even if Jimbo doesnt acknowledge that you rock, you will always have my undying adoration! Have you seen that a class for teachers at my school and Advanced A will be working with Wikipedia in the spring? See Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca so I will need your help!Thelmadatter 20:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
Unfortunately I notice changes to various pages, but only really look into things when someone asks me a question. But, if you need help, I'm pleased to offer my services as always. WLU (talk) 21:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Project page labeling

If the students would add {{EducationalAssignment|date=YYYY-MM-DD|link=Wikipedia:School and university projects#ITESM Campus Toluca - Advanced English (Ongoing)}} to the top of the Talk page of their article, other editors would be more aware of the reason for the high activity on the page. Thanks. -- SEWilco (talk) 00:19, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I will instruct my students to do just that when the semester starts up again in JanuaryThelmadatter (talk) 18:18, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Newsletter tip?

If you'd like mention of your successes in the Wikipedia Signpost, you could describe it at the Tip Line for consideration. -- SEWilco (talk) 00:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] finding an old page

Need a favor... when my class started working on the Mexico State page (as it is now called) it was called México (state) and had only information from the 1911 Encyclopedia Britanica. However, when I got into the page's history I cant get to that version. Looks like there were two pages with two different names that got merged. Does that version no longer exist? Thelmadatter (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure but perhaps this is the revision that you are looking for. If not, you will have to look through the page history of Mexico State to find the specific revision that you are looking for.
As to what happened, this is probably more than you want to know but...
  1. When you try to visit the México (state) article, you are redirected to Mexico State
  2. However, the reason for this is that México (state) was moved to State of Mexico on October 6
  3. How would you determine this? When you visit México (state) and get redirected to Mexico State, there is a notice of the redirect that says "(Redirected from México (state))". If you click on the wikilink in the above notice, you are brought to the title México (state). If you now click on the "History" tab, it will tell you that User:GTBacchus performed the move on October 6.
  4. And therefore, all the page history for México (state) was also moved to State of Mexico
  5. If you look at the page history of State of Mexico, you will see that it was moved to Mexico (state) on December 6 by User:GTBacchus
  6. And therefore, all the page history for State of Mexico was also moved to Mexico State
  7. If you go to Mexico State and click on "History", you should be able to find the version you want sometime before October 6.
I know the above is a lot of extra detail that you don't necessarily need to know right now but I thought it would be useful if you understood how to noodle this out for yourself. (teaching you to fish rather than giving you the fish).
Best regards,
Richard


[edit] Hi, Thelmadatter

Sorry for disappearing. My work load increased, and I everything else in my life had to be put on hold. How did the semester worked out? --Hugo Estrada (talk) 11:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

dont worry... welcome back! Actually, the semester went pretty darn well. Well enough that I am doing a similar class in January for teachers here at Tec. However, this time around I will have students start contributing much sooner than I did last semester.... everyone got pretty antsy waiting to get started for so long! Check out my project page (in my navigation bar) to see what I have planned for the teachers' course and Advanced A (no Advanced B in the spring).Thelmadatter (talk) 14:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Belated Reply

I am responding to your August 2007 inquiry about my university/education project. We will be running it again in Spring 2008. I will update the projects page accordingly. Sorry for the belated reply. --LMCinHK (talk) 14:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Good to know!Thelmadatter (talk) 19:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Rewrite

yes JW 21... but actually I was looking to find the category page that list all the lousy articles that need to be rewritten, which I have done. As lousy as my talk page might be, I doubt anyone, including me, wants to rewrite it!  :D Thelmadatter (talk) 17:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Im working to develop a kind of "cheat sheet" where the headings, reference list and other coding is already set up. Students could take the cheat sheet and use it to create pages and get started contributing to Wikipedia faster. I noticed that waiting almost 2 months before students really start putting anything up on Wikipedia in Advanced B, despite the fact that "getting integrated and familiar with the community's standards" was part of the course, was really too long. For Advanced A, I wont have any time to get them familiar with all of Wikipedia's policies. I know Alixb and Hugo Estrada are interested in developing the pages for all the towns/cities in Mexico. Here's the idea I have (I dont know how to make the codes NOT do what they are supposed to do, so you may have to look at the section below in edit mode to see what I wrote for my students in MS Word)

The coding for an infobox could be added to this sheet but the idea here is to get students contributing as quickly and easily as possible and still keep in guidelines. It could also work to standardize a bit more how these kinds of articles are written. Other cheat sheets could be devised for biographies, movies etc. Whaddya think?

I have moved the actual outline to Template:Mexican municipality. This template should be used with substitution as in {{subst:Mexican municipality}}. We will have to work on adding an infobox and maybe providing some parameters to the template.
This is the sort of thing that should be discussed with WP:MEXICO. I think one of the instructors offered to help with infoboxes but we demurred suggesting that the focus should be on writing English not building infoboxes. Now is the time to take him up on his offer.

For an example of how this template would work eventually, look at Template:SCOTUS-case. Then create a new article in userspace using the following line...

{{subst:SCOTUS-case|Wooley v. Maynard|430|705|1977|held that New Hampshire could not constitutionally require citizens to display the state motto upon their vehicle license plates}}
If you put everything starting with the {{ and }} on a new page and hit "Show preview", you will see that an entire article outline is provided for the SCOTUS case.
Look at Wooley v. Maynard to see the actual outline that the template generated.
--Richard 22:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Sounds good, we should definately discuss it and get a template expert here! Alixb 23:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)


As I stated on the WP:MEXICO talk page, Richard is a Wikipedia god! hee hee hee I had no idea such an idea existed before, but this should be very helpful. I dont quite understand what you mean by "This template should be used with substitution as in {{subst:Mexican municipality}}. ", however.
On a personal note, Im in Veracruz this weekend attending a MexTESOL conference (for English teachers in Mexico)... sun, sand, sea, 85F/28C temps.....ah the sacrifices I make for my students!!!! Thelmadatter 00:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Students gearing up to work with Wikipedia

I dont know if I will have time to contact those on my list of mentors, so Im hoping most of you guys have this page on your watchlist. A course for teachers at my school, based on Wikipedia begins on Monday Jan 28. I will very shortly put a list of projects they will need to do at Wikipedia:School_and_university_projects/ITESM_Campus_Toluca/Syllabus and a list of student userpages as soon as possible. These students will not be working in groups.

I would really appreciate mentor help with these students, not only for the authenticity of the Wikipedia experience but I need to confirm some comments that my Advanced B students made last semester. I receive several negative comments and no positive comments about working with mentors. Most of the negative comments were that mentors never answered or gave any real help. Now I dont know if that is accurate or if students were asking mentors to practically write their articles for them. I would like to see what more mature adults have to say about working with more seasoned Wikipedians.

Advanced A will do a 3-day mini-project in Wikipedia, using the town article "cheat sheet" template I developed Template:Mexican_municipality. These students will be working in groups but considering the brief duration of this mini-project, I will simply have each student create an account and upload a portion of the article the group creates. I dont think it will be practical or necessary to elict help from mentors for these guys. ****