User talk:The JPS/archive10

I always welcome polite, constructive criticism and comments. New posts to the bottom, please.

If you're a vandal, do yourself some justice and put some thought into your insults. Replacing the page with "you are gay" isn't exactly ingenious, and I don't consider it an insult anyway: I'd much rather be gay than an illiterate chav. If I've deleted your article, or image, get over it. (Obviously you're welcome to question my decisions, but, seriously, there are some stalkers who really need help.)

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Contents 1 Image:UOS Logo.png 2 Your AWB edits, including those to Blackadder: Back & Forth 3 Lucy Porter Jpg 4 Images from UKGameshows.com 5 Kunzang Dechen Lingpa Image 6 Special:Log/Newusers 7 My talk page 8 Image:Statement.jpg 9 Speedy of Vern McKinley 10 Thanks! 11 The Acute 12 Spoiler tags 12.1 Plot summary 13 ArticleHistory 14 Bulger 15 Golden Girls episode articles 16 A Little Help 17 RFA nomination 18 Auf Wiedersehen Pet 19 Reply 20 hi 21 Meetup in Sunderland 22 TV 23 I'm back 24 Jaws 25 May 2007 WP:FILMS Newsletter 26 Naughty Boy... 27 Yes Minister episode articles 28 Image:Newcastle City Hall.jpg 29 Article for deletion? 30 Prisoner overseas - deletion 31 Breasts 32 I,ages 33 Cast section 34 Jaws 35 Telekinesis 36 FUCK OFF

[edit] Image:UOS Logo.png

I'm confused. Is there anything wrong with Image:University of sunderland logo.gif that it should have been replaced by User:Harveyhanson with Image:UOS Logo.png? If he or she is just experimenting, I would consider reverting to the previous image, which is not significantly larger in such a way as to merit a new upload under the Fair Use policy, is transparent and stored under a more descriptive filename.

One of these images needs to have a fair use rationale added and the other needs to be deleted. I have, experimentally, added a rationale to Image:University of sunderland logo.gif, but it applies equally to the other. What do you think? — mholland (talk) 18:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

You're probably right, esp. the transparency and filename. Thanks for adding the fair use rationale. I've deleted the other image. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello,

I have had a photo of Lucy Porter up loaded marked for deletion. It states permission granted but no evidence, how can i provide this evidence? I took the photo myself.

[edit] Your AWB edits, including those to Blackadder: Back & Forth

As you can see here, your AWB template replacement also mistakenly capitalised/shortened many words in the rest of the article. Please be more careful in future. —Vanderdecken∴ ∫ξφ 11:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Ah, sorry about that. Considering the amount of time I spent last night a couple of minor mistakes were acceptable. At least we don't have that silly fork anymore. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:15, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and reviewing those articles: the typos I introduced are the least of their worries. The trivia sections, and the spellings within, are atrocious. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:22, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lucy Porter Jpg

Hello,

Sorry, didnt get a reply previously but I guess you are busy, but you marked a photo for deletion as I didnt get proof that permission was given. This is definitely the case though because its a photo I have taken myself. how do i proove this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Asheashe (talk • contribs) 14:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

Hello. Images would have to be released under a specific license for us to use them. See Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. The copyright holder needs to email the Wikipedia Foundation releasing the rights. Cheers, The JPS^{talk to me} 07:22, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Images from UKGameshows.com

Re: the image on the Going for Gold article, are you claiming that it is perfectly acceptable for Wikipedia to take all the images to which we've spent many years tracking down, editing and resizing...? Davidbod 00:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC) (UKGS editor)

I think it would be courteous for the uploader to acknowledge the source. However, we include thousands of fair use images without requesting permission from the copyright owner (who have gone to considerable expense to produce the text). I know it seems unfair, but why should we have to ask the permission of UKGameshows.com to use images which aren't actually theirs?

I know it seems unfair. I once ran a TV Themes website. Other sites sprang up, using identical files as mine and everyone else. Their sites looked better than my poorly designed site. Disheartening, considering the hours I'd spent encoding the content. However, that's the internet. When I was pissed off all hose years ago, a wise friend told my if I was that bothered, don't put it on in the web in first place. The JPS^{talk to me} 07:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kunzang Dechen Lingpa Image

Dear JPS, I'm taking some time to ask why the image Kunzang Dechen Lingpa has been deleted twice from the referring description about this great master. Thank you!

Chokyi.

The image was tagged as a non-free promotional image without a source. Sources must be given. This is made abundantly clear on th upload page. The JPS^{talk to me} 14:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Special:Log/Newusers

You might want to use this log to block more Johnny vandal socks. – Chacor 14:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

And remember to check the next 100 or so in case you missed older ones! :) – Chacor 14:26, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] My talk page

Wow, I take a week off from Wiki, come back and my talk page is being attacked. How dare I tag an article as A7? Anyway, thank you for the speedy protection, but if it's not too much trouble, could you move the top comment down to the bottom? I was meaning to do that for quite some time, and each time I was about to something urgent cropped up. --Action Jackson IV 01:51, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Statement.jpg

Hello, The JPS. An automated process has found and removed an image or media file tagged as nonfree media, and thus is being used under fair use that was in your userspace. The image (Image:Statement.jpg) was found at the following location: User talk:The JPS/archive4. This image or media was attempted to be removed per criterion number 9 of our non-free content policy. The image or media was replaced with Image:NonFreeImageRemoved.svg , so your formatting of your userpage should be fine. Please find a free image or media to replace it with, and or remove the image from your userspace. User:Gnome (Bot)-talk 09:21, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy of Vern McKinley

Could you describe the process for your deletion of Vern McKinley? A newbie acquaintance of mine just pinged me asking why the article was deleted, and I see that you speedied as nn. From a cursory search I found significant sources that clearly establish notability: [1], [2], [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1504347/posts], [3], and [4], to name a few. He also indicated that he tried to contest the speedy deletion, but I can't find a record of that so I am assuming he did so on the article talk page. In any event, I told him that he should just recreate the article and make sure to cite a bunch of independent sources (like those listed above) to make notability clear from the outset this time. DickClarkMises 15:22, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

The reason it was nominated, and subsequently deleted, is that usually only politicians in (or have been in) office are considered notable. The JPS^{talk to me} 15:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

What like Ross Perot? :) In all seriousness, McKinley is the subject of multiple independent, reliable sources. He has written articles published in notable media and has testified before Congress as an expert on housing, central banking, and government-sponsored enterprises in general. It seems to me that the deletion was taken lightly and that a new contributor's work may have been summarily deleted out of process (at least if it is true that the speedy was indeed contested). DickClarkMises 15:35, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't care enough to contest it, so whatever. The JPS^{talk to me} 15:36, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but this aloofness in deleting the work of others, particularly newcomers, is unbecoming an admin and in my opinion is not compatible with WP:BITE. ...but I can't force you to care about that, I suppose. Cheers, DickClarkMises 15:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps it is a very good introduction to Wikipedia. You can spend hours contributing, but you only hear something when you make a mistake. The JPS^{talk to me} 15:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

I appear to be unblocked again! :-) Cheers! Stephenb (Talk) 11:00, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Acute

Howdy,

What was wrong with the page I made on The Acute? It was my first article, and I tried my best to get all the formatting right etc

Not sure what was wrong - can I have at least some feedback of why it was deleted?

Cheers,

Tom

Thanks for getting in touch. The band does not appear to meet out criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia. We have notability guidelines, which are outlined at WP:MUSIC. Feel free to resubmit the article when (and only when) the band meets those guidelines. Cheers, The JPS^{talk to me} 08:53, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spoiler tags

I hate spoiler tags, especially the ridiculous ones like those I've removed.

[edit] Plot summary

Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow.

How is that not the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen? anthony 13:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't think it's ridiculous at all, and citing "I hate them" is not a particularly good reason, but my feelings aren't strong enough to debate it. I think it's a shame, however, that some editors are spending a lot of time doing something that a bot could have been employed to do. Also, I'm not sure consensus was fully reached (judging by the AI discussion), and it was especially unwise to remove them en masse without edit summaries pointing towards the relevant debate. The JPS^{talk to me} 13:44, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

"I hate them" is shorthand for "I think they make the encyclopedia worse", which is a very good reason to fix something.

I don't think a bot could do what I was doing, because I was not removing them en masse from everywhere. In fact, I intentionally skipped removing them from some places, because I thought the removal would be too controversial.

There may very well not have been a consensus reached on the matter. I'm not aware of a consensus for or against the use of the tags in any particular instance, so I feel it's up to each of us to decide what we think makes for a better encyclopedia.

If you care to disagree with me about any particular edit of mine I will be happy to discuss the matter with you. But as you have already said your feelings aren't strong enough to debate the matter, I'll continue doing what I feel is best until someone does object and care to discuss the matter.

anthony 17:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ArticleHistory

Just a note: GimmeBot fixed the errors in {{ArticleHistory}} at Talk:Psycho (1960 film) and Talk:Press Gang, in case you want to have a look. If you're not sure how to set up ArticleHistory, you can just leave the templates and request at the articlehistory talk page that the bot convert them to ArticleHistory. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 00:19, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks -- I checked the differences and will use the fixed versions as templates. The JPS^{talk to me} 09:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

If you plan on doing a lot of ArticleHistory templates, it will be useful to download from Dr pda (talk · contribs) his articlehistory script. It's pretty hard to do it correctly without that tool. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bulger

Why have you reverted the information about Bulger's mother? It's well known in the journalistic community - do a google search on it and you'll find plenty of things mentioning it. --Best username yet 16:04, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

I've now had this explained to me, I'll work on finding some decent sources. But for the moment I'll work on keeping everything out of the article that is untrue rather than adding things that are true. Best username yet 21:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Golden Girls episode articles

Please, I would put the memorable quotes in the Wikiquotes, but it is littered with quotes that aren't even episode specific, just subjects and charcters. Secondly, at the IMDb, it takes almost a week to see what you've contributed, but here, the changes are immediate. Thirdly, I'm not the only user creating Golden Girls episode articles. The other users use different breaks and spacing in the articles thay've created. I'm not sure how the category Golden Girls episodes got in your message. When categorizing, I only use Category:The Golden Girls. Finally, try sending your message to the other users who've made or modified Golden Girls episode articles to help you more. Sincerely, cjqtwm

Thanks for your reply. I've left the message on one other user's talk page, and also the talk page for the list of episodes. If the episode category exists (which it does), then it should be used. This does make sense, right? In the very small number of cases when dialogue is really important, then you can integrate them into the plot section. We do not have separate sections for them. Thanks for your contributions, I hope you will rectify the errors. The JPS^{talk to me} 23:50, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Little Help

Hi, it's me again. Nothing too big, but on many episode articles of other shows, I see a link that links the episode to its corresponding section at WikiQuotes. Can you tell me how to do that for the Golden Girls episode articles? I've aready moved all of my quotes to the WikiQuote GG page. Sincerely, Cjqtwm.

Do you mean those boxes? You can copy this code: {{wikiquote|The Golden Girls}} If the name of the page on Wikiquotes is identical to one on Wikipedia, you can just have {{wikiquote}}. So if you put 'wikiquote' only on "The Actor" article, it would point to "the Actor" on Wikiquote. The JPS^{talk to me} 22:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RFA nomination

I have been nominated to be an admin. If you support me, please indicate so on the RFA page. Thank you.

[edit] Auf Wiedersehen Pet

Hi JPS,

Today is my first day at editting.

I want to set up more detail on Auf Pet pages, especially in characters and welcome your comments/corrections. Thanks for what you have done already.

Go steady on me.

Rob.

[edit] Reply

Hey don't mention it, you've done a great with it, especially considering the page was only created in January. Gran² 14:07, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] hi

can yer do the ader dance? 81.132.214.61 21:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I like your philosphy and style JPS, I highly reguard you anyway. 81.132.214.61 21:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Meetup in Sunderland

Being a wikipedian heavily involved in Tyne and Wear, being near Sunderland. You may be intrested in Wikipedia:meetup/Sunderland. Help arrange some plans!. 217.43.213.72 21:16, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] TV

Hello, I noticed that you are a keen writer on television. I worked for ATV/Central (79 - 94) and Merdian (94 -99) and just wondered if you ever worked in the industry. I have loads of knowledge about the industry but of course a lot of it is first hand and cannot be mentioned here. Anyway just thought i'd say hello to a fellow TV enthusiast! Wowweb 13:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello! No, I've never worked in the industry: I'm a mere academic. It's sometimes frustrating when you want to make a point to add depth to an article, or add a fact, but can't. That's there, or course, to protect the encyclopedia, since anyone can edit it and claim to have first hand experience/have been told by someone "in the know", etc. What was your role within ATV/Meridian? The JPS^{talk to me} 13:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I'm back

Thanks for the welcome back. I left because of this article's FAC. I was pretty much the only one who opposed it. I argued with the nominator quite a bit, offering plenty of actionable objections but in the end, the article was promoted anyway. I felt as if Raul654 had just ignored my opinion, and I got a little ticked off. Plus school was picking up, and winter sports had started. Again, thanks for the welcome back, and I hope I can start working on an article again soon.--Dark Kubrick 17:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jaws

I'd like to add cast and characters to Jaws movies. Any suggestion? Should I put the "red link" first, then create the article? Or create the article first, and then merge it to the existing article? Thank you. HoneyBee 19:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I would spend time working on individual articles, rather than just creating all of the stubs. Perhaps work on them offline, or in userspace: e.g. User:HoneyBee/Martin Brody. I've seen some truly abysmal character articles. There's no point in adding the red links. Anyway, as Jaws is a featured article, we're not supposed to have red inks on that page. The JPS^{talk to me} 19:16, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I understand now. Thanks for the info. Btw, if for example I work on them (characters article) in userspace, how do I put them in the article? HoneyBee 19:27, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

You could just copy and paste the code. The JPS^{talk to me} 19:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about the Jaws 2 cast table. I thought they were okay, 'cause I saw one in Jaws section and assumed that was being used. Is the example for a correct cast list should be like Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back? HoneyBee 18:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

No problem. I removed the cast table from Jaws and corrected most of that editor's other edits. The Empire Strikes Back needs work, but it's much closer to what we should be doing. The best examples are Halloween (1978 film) and Halloween II. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Got it. What about casting section from Jaws: The Revenge, I read the article and I think it's a good example, right? 20:34, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, JtR is OK, if I do say so myself. I chose the two Halloweens because they're both featured articles. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Jaws has the beginnings of a cast section: it just needs developing and given a third level heading within 'Production'. The JPS^{talk to me} 20:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I think you should put some examples in the talk page because many ppl seems want a cast list at least because it's easier to read. If you can just explain it, like you explained Jaws 2 to me, I think ppl would follow the format. I think many ppl have difficulties to follow the format because it's too long to read, and they usually scan the article quickly. I personally don't have a problem, and when you explained to me how the article should be done, I immediately got it and right now is looking for some sources. Please let me know if I'm making mistake, or just fix it. Right now I'm following your advice of making an offline characters page, and will put it into the article when it's done. HoneyBee 10:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] May 2007 WP:FILMS Newsletter

The May 2007 issue of the Films WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated notice by BrownBot 22:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Naughty Boy...

I know what you've been up to ;) Go for it my son!--Private Detective 13:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Mmm, OK. (?) The JPS^{talk to me} 13:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Yes Minister episode articles

JPS, I'd appreciate your thoughts at Talk:Yes Minister#Possible episode article removal. By all means take a look at the discussions quoted to get up to speed. This has all happened since a mass redirect (with hardly any notice to editors) by TTN. (The YM/YPM articles were immediately reverted, but not by me.) Chris 42 17:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Newcastle City Hall.jpg

There is a problem with this image over on Commons which I would bring to your attention. Regards. Adambro 22:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article for deletion?

Hi I noticed you had question the notability of the article Gossamer (band) back in April. I think you may want to put a deletion tag on the article as it still does not assert notability.Hoponpop69 04:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prisoner overseas - deletion

Thanks for your comments regarding this. Hopefully it will not be deleted. The details there are fairly relevant as far as I am concerned. The series is currently being released on DVD with roughly 30% available so far. The rest should be available by the end of 2008. I am a fan of the show and although there are various websites about the show, none are very accurate on it's international success, airdates and ratings info. I know that various other fans of the show do like to know when particular episodes first went to air in Australia and to discover the time when they first saw them (years later) in the UK. It may be better for all such info to be on a website of its own, but I feel it is worthy info, particularly with the epsiodes being re-viewed for the first time for many (via the DVDs) some 25 years (Australia) after and 15 years after (UK)_ their original airings. Also I very much doubt that there is any other programme, particularly with a solid fanbase, that had such regional differences during it's initial airings in a country. Most shows such as 'The OC' etc are shown across the whole country (US/UK/Aust/where-ever) simultaneously and therefore are easier to build up a following. 84.9.61.204 21:33, 13 June 2007

[edit] Breasts

I am in a much better position than you to give opinions about hansen. YOU PAEDO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.111.8.97 (talk • contribs)

que? The JPS^{talk to me} 23:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I,ages

Done -sorry they are promo photos not screeshots - I usually add a rationale but its late. I have my setting on my computer with natually the largest pixel setting on images so they probably do look huge to the standard setting. Try not to target my work though - I noticed you have now edited Hang em High, Thanks ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^{"Expecting you" Contribs} 22:48, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, mistakes happen. It is standard practice to check contributions of editors where there is a problem, as it's likely there will be similar errors in other articles. I usually do it; don't feel specifically targetted. The JPS^{talk to me} 22:53, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cast section

Hello. I'm not sure from where you got your idea for formatting, but we don't have cast lists in tables like that. The general thinking is that tables should be avoided for simple lists. Actually, there shouldn't be a list at all: featured articles have Casting sections written in prose: see Halloween (1978 film) and Halloween II for examples of a mature cast section. Cheers. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Dear JPS, that is absolutely heartbreaking to read. If you look at my User page and conritbutions, I have spent a LOT of time putting casts into attractive and easy-to-read tables. I am a professional Art Director and Magazine Publisher, and have some knowledge of preparing an attractive presentation. My format is as follows (example only)

Actor	Role
Will Ferrell	Chazz Michael Michaels
Craig T. Nelson	Coach

No one has complained before, and I hope you will give it some consideration as it is meant for a quick scan more than anything. Where I think it might not work is on the page Empire Falls. However I was thinking of undoing that. Where i think it works well, as and example, is here and here.

A lot of work went into this by me, and even the slight colour coding in boxes is subtle. I realise it is in the eyes of the beholder, but I hope you will reconsider. Best wishes.--RobNS 18:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I know it's disappointing when you've put time and effort into something, only to have it removed. I've been there. Consistency is important, though. The style guidelines for film articles are at Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines. As I say, tables are to be avoided for simple lists, and colour is to be avoided for accessibility reasons. The JPS^{talk to me} 18:39, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hey JPS, first of all, I have to (and want to) respect what you say because, well, you're an admin, and have surely worked hard to get there. I hope you will only remove the colours at this point from my tables, or you will have one very broken hearted Canadian over here. Can I at least make the colour headings a suggestion in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines page? I think it will be effective and, as I said before, it's very subtle, and uses very simple HTML colours (and yes, in Canada we say 'colour' not 'color' like the country below). Cheers best wishes.--RobNS 19:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Jaws

JPS, can I PLEASE put back the table in Jaws? I promise to keep the colours out (at this point), and make the list sortable. Thank you in advance, best.--RobNS 19:08, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines does not accommodate this. Jaws is a featured article, nominated and judged as an example of Wikipedia's best work. Therefore, the style guidelines must be adhered to. The JPS^{talk to me} 19:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject_Films/Style_guidelines#Cast_and_crew_information. Effort is not an acceptable argument for keeping, either. The JPS^{talk to me} 23:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

OK JPS, I suppose you are correct. I just think my efforts on Jaws made the cast easier to read, and that is all I was aiming for. However, if you look at my contributions or history, I am not confrontational and, like you, appreciate a consensus. You will no longer find me contributing to films, but I will contribute in other areas, where I can be useful. Best wishes.--RobNS 23:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Alientraveller, you might like to see my explanations to RobNS on his talk page. The JPS^{talk to me} 23:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

OK both of you, I'm not really that upset, more a case of severe disappointment. I will abide by the rules. Best wishes to you both.--RobNS 23:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Telekinesis

That made me laugh out loud. Thanks for brightening up my day! The Rambling Man 12:06, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FUCK OFF

FUCK OFF YOU STUPID CUNT I FUCKING HATE YOU

Would you care to enlighten me who you are and why? The JPS^{talk to me} 23:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, University of Cambridge. Says it all, really. The JPS^{talk to me} 23:08, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes the University of Cambridge, which is MUCH BETTER than the SHIT University of Sunderland

Which produces such articulate and witty people, obviously. The JPS^{talk to me} 09:21, 22 June 2007 (UTC)