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See here for maps as well

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[2] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Megistias (talk) 20:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC).

Αν θες βοηθεια σε τιποτα αλλο η υλικο για οτιδηποτε πες μου!

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[edit] Ref List

You have to add {{Reflist}} to the bottom of the article (in a section titled "References") if it doesn't already have it. akendall 06:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Illyria και Αλβανοι

Αλλαξα τους χαρτες στο σωστο με μια μικρη επεξηγηση.Οι αλβανοι εχουν φαει πολυ προπαγναδα και δεν ξερουν τι τους γινεται.

[edit] Γειά σου Ελλάδιε!

Καλώς Ήρ8ες! Ακολουθεί "επίσημο" καλωσόρισμα της WP:

Welcome!

Hello, The Cat and the Owl, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! 

Μη διστάσεις να επικοινωνήσεις για οτιδήποτε, μέσω της σελίδας συζήτησής μου, ή μέσω ηλεκτρονικού ταχυδρομείου. Χαιρετισμούς! NikoSilver 13:14, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Γερμανικο γουικπεντια και ιλλυρια

βρες καποιον που ξερει γερμανικα να διορθωσετε την ιλλυρια και στο γερμανικο και στα αλλα αν μπορεις.

[edit] δες εδω

[3] kai edo [4] [albanian propaganda]

[edit] Περι χαρτων

Οπως εχεις δει στις συνδεσεις μου εχω απειρους χαρτες και αν θες αποδειξεις κειμενων πανε [5]

[edit] Δες ειδικα σε αυτο εδω με προσοχη απο την αρχη ως το τελος μολις βρεις χρονο

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[edit] Σημειωση

Πρεπει να τονιστει σε ολα τα θεμα με ιλλυρια οτι οι αλβανοι δεν εχουν εδαφικα παρα το μικροτερο κομματι της ιλλυριας και οτι οι Βοσνιοι,Σλοβενιοι.....και οι αλλοι εχουν αντιστοιχα δικαιωματα στο θεμα.ΠΕρα απο το Γεγονος οτι οι Αλβανοι δεν ειναι ιλλυριοι , ουτε Πελασγοι.

Οι ιλλυριοι κατεβηκαν το 1000-1300 απο τον βορρα απο πρωτοκελτικο κορμο πληθυσμου.Οι Πελασγοι ειναι αυτοχθονες αρα οι Ιλλυριοι δεν ειναι πελασγοι με τιποτα.

[edit] Prosexe

Diabase se parakalw poly to WP:3RR gia na 3ereis. En syntomia, an kaneis panw apo treis fores revert se ena ar8ro mesa se 24 wres, 8a fas fragh gia kapoies wres/meres k.o.k. kai 8a "mavrisei" to poiniko mhtrwo sou. 3erw oti einai dyskolo na antista8eis otan antistrefeis vandalismous, alla MHN to riskareis. OK? NikoSilver 09:11, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] do not change the maps

everybody knows that the real greek are albanian in origin and we are people prehelenic.Dorians, thraket, mikenasit all are pelasgic tribu.You are doing a dirty job here in wikipedia. Dodona.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 217.24.246.74 (talk) 09:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC).

...and then you woke up... Cite a trustworthy reference for your claims and then we talk, if you have the ability for that, of course! Helladios 17:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Greeks are not albanian. Albanian are not prehellenic. Illyrians are not palasgic. Albanians are not illyrians. You are an albanian propagandist...—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Megistias (talk) 10:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Illyrians

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Illyrians. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content which gains a consensus among editors. -- Ronz  00:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] On the edit

I understand and i am sorry but illyria did not inlcude epirus and corcyra or paeonia. The maps presented by albanians are according to their nationalistic propaganda and not history.They present maps with the areas they currently want to claim from their neighbour states.

[edit] 3rd party material for use in Epirus and other

Quote: "Speakers of these various Greek dialects settled different parts of Greece at different times during the Middle Bronze Age, with one group, the "northwest" Greeks, developing their own dialect and peopling central Epirus. This was the origin of the Molossian or Epirotic tribes."

E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 62

Quote: "We have seen that the "Makedones" or "highlanders" of mountainous western Macedonia may have been derived from northwest Greek stock. That is, northwest Greece provided a pool of Indo-European speakers of proto-Greek from which emerged the tribes who were later known by different names as they established their regional identities in separate parts of the country. Thus the Macedonians may have been related to those peoples who at an earlier time migrated south to become the historical Dorians, and to other Pindus tribes who were the ancestors of the Epirotes or Molossians. If it were known that Macedonian was a proper dialect of Greek, like the dialects spoken by Dorians and Molossians, we would be on much firmer ground in this hypothesis." E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 78


Quote: "When Amyntas became king of the Macedonians sometime during the latter third of the sixth century, he controlled a territory that included the central Macedonian plain and its peripheral foothills, the Pierian coastal plain beneath Mt. Olympus, and perhaps the fertile, mountain-encircled plain of Almopia. To the south lay the Greeks of Thessaly. The western mountains were peopled by the Molossians (the western Greeks of Epirus), tribes of non-Argead Macedonians, and other populations." E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 98


Quote: "As subjects of the king the Upper Macedonians were henceforth on the same footing as the original Macedonians, in that they could qualify for service in the King's Forces and thereby obtain the elite citizenship. At one bound the territory, the population and wealth of the kingdom were doubled. Moreover since the great majority of the new subjects were speakers of the West Greek dialect, the enlarged army was Greek-speaking throughout."

NGL Hammond, "Philip of Macedon", Gerald Duckword & Ltd, London, 1994

Quote: "Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks." Robert Morkot, "The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece", Penguin Publ., 1996

EPIRUS ("Hpeiros", Mainland)

North-west area of Greece, from Acroceraunian point to Nicopolis, with harbours at Buthrotum and Glycys Limen (at Acheron's mouth); bordered on south by gulf of Ambracia, and on east by Pindus range with pass via Metsovo to Thessaly.

Three limestone ranges parallel to the coast and the Pindus range enclose narrow valleys and plateaux with good pasture and extensive woods; alluvial plains were formed near Buthrotum, Glycys Limen, and Ambracia.

Epirus had a humid climate and cold winters. In terrain and in history it resembled Upper Macedonia. Known in the 'Iliad' only for the oracle of Dodona, and to Herodotus for the oracle of the dead at Ephyra, Epirus received Hellenic influence from the Elean colonies in Cassopaea and the Corinthian colonies at Ambracia and Corcyra, and the oracle of Dodona drew pilgrims from northern and central Greece especially.

Theopompus knew fourteen Epirote tribes, speakers of a strong west-Greek dialect, of which the Chaones held the plain of Buthrotum, the Thesproti the plain of Acheron, and the Molossi the plain of Dodona, which forms the highland centre of Epirus with an outlet southwards to Ambracia.

A strong Molossian state, which included some Thesprotian tribes, existed in the reign of Neoptolemos c.370-368 ("Arx.Ef".1956, 1ff). The unification of Epirus in a symmachy led by the Molossian king was finally achieved by Alexander, brother-in-law of Philip II of Macedon. His conquests in southern Italy and his alliance with Rome showed the potentialities of the Epirote Confederacy, but he was killed in 330 BC.

Dynastic troubles weakened the Molossian state, until Pyrrhus removed his fellow king and embarked on his adventurous career.

The most lasting of his achievements were the conquest of southern Illyria, the development of Ambracia as his capital, and the building of fortifications and theaters, especially the large one at Dodona.

His successors suffered from wars with Aetolia, Macedon, and Illyria, until in c.232 BC the Molossian monarchy fell.

An Epirote League with a federal citizenship was then created, and the meetings of its council were held probably by rotation at Dodona or Passaron in Molossis, at Gitana in Thesprotis, and at Phoenice in Chaonia.

It was soon involved in the wars between Rome and Macedon, and it split apart when the Molossian state alone supported Macedon and was sacked by the Romans in 167 BC, when 150,000 captives were deported.

Central Epirus never recovered; but northern Epirus prospered during the late republic, and Augustus celebrated his victory at Actium by founding a Roman colony at Nicopolis.

Under the empire a coastal road and a road through the interior were built from north to south, and Buthrotum was a Roman colony.

Ancient remains testify to the great prosperity of Epirus in Hellenistic times. N.G.L.Hammond, "Oxford Classical Dictionary," 3rd ed. (1996), pp.546,547

The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians, still retained their monarchy. They were Greeks, spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian king who wished to tackle the Illyrian problem at its roots." Malcolm Errington, "A History of Macedonia", California University Press, 1990.


Quote: The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia.... Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge University Press, 1997

Quote: Alexander was King Philip's eldest legitimate child. His mother, Olympias,came from the ruling clan of the northwestern Greek region of Epirus.

David Sacks, "A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World", Oxford, 1995

Quote: Epirus was a land of milk and animal products...The social unit was a small tribe, consisting of several nomadic or semi-nomadic groups, and these tribes, of which more than seventy names are known, coalesced into large tribal coalitions, three in number: Thesprotians, Molossians and Chaonians...We know from the discovery of inscriptions that these tribes were speaking the Greek language (in a West-Greek dialect).

NGL Hammond, "Philip of Macedon", Duckworth, London, 1994

the Satyres by Juvenal

Quote: The molossians were the most powerfull people of Epirus, whose kings had extended their dominion over the whole country. They traced their descent back to Pyrrhus, son of Acchilles.. Page 225


"The Cambridge Ancient History - The Expansion of the Greek World, Eighth to Sixth Centuries B.C., Part 3: Volume 3" by P Mack Crew

Quote: That the molossians, who were immediately adjacent to the Dodonaeans in the time of Hecataeus but engulfed them soon afterwards, spoke Illyrian or another barbaric tongue was nowhere suggested, although Aeschylus and Pindar wrote of Molossian lands. That they in fact spoke greek was implied by Herodotus' inclusion of Molossi among the greek colonists of Asia minor, but became demonstranable only when D. Evangelides published two long inscriptions of the Molossian State, set up p. 369 B.C at Dodona, in Greek and with Greek names, Greek patronymies and Greek tribal names such as Celaethi, Omphales, Tripolitae, Triphylae, etc. As the Molossian cluster of tribes in the time of Hecataeus included the Orestae, Pelagones, Lyncestae, Tymphaei and Elimeotae,as we have argued above, we may be confindent that they too were Greek-speaking; Quote: Inscriptional evidence of the Chaones is lacking until the Hellinistic period; but Ps-Scylax, describing the situation of c. 380-360 put the Southern limit of the Illyrians just north of the Chaones, which indicates that the Chaones did not speak Illyrian, and the acceptance of the Chaones into the Epirote alliance in the 330s suggest strongly that they were Greek-speaking Page 284

"The Cambridge Ancient History: Volume 6, the Fourth Century BC" by D M Lewis, Martin Ostwald, Simon Hornblower, John Boardman

Quote: however, in central Epirus the only fortified places were in the plain of Ioannina, the centre of the Molossian state. Thus the North-west Greek-speaking tribes were at a half-way stage economically and politically, retaining the vigour of a tribal society and reaching out in a typically Greek manner towards a larger political organization. Quote: In 322 B.C when Antipater banished banished the anti-Macedonian leaders of the Greek states to live 'beyond the Ceraunian Mountains' (plut. Phoc. 29.3) he regarded Epirus as an integral part of the Greek-speaking mainland. Page 443

Quote: The chaones as we will see were a group of Greek-speaking tribes, and the Dexari, or as they were called later the Dassarete, were the most northernly member of the group. Page 423

A New Classical Dictionary of Greek and Roman Biography, Mythology and Geography" by William Smith

Quote: Molossi (Μολοσσοί), a people in Epirus, who inhabited a narrow slip of country, called after them Molossia (Μολοσσία) or Molossis, which extended from the Aous, along the western bank of the Arachthus, as far as the Ambracian Gulf. The Molossi were Greek people, who claimed descent from Molossus, the son of Pyrrhus (Neoptolemus) and Andromache, and are said to have emigrated from Thessaly into Epirus, under the guidance of Pyrrhus himself. In their new abodes they intermingled with the original inhabitants of the land and with the neighbouring illyrian tribes of which they were regarded by the other Greeks as half barbarians. They were, however, by far the most powerful people in Epirus, and their kings gradually extended their dominion over the whole of the country. The first of their kings, who took the title of King of Epirus, was Alexander, who perished in Italy B.C. 326. The ancient capital of the Molossi was Pasaron,but Ambracia afterward became their chief town, and the residence of their kings. The Molossian hounds were celebrated in antiquity, and were much prized for hunting.

That they [Dorians] were related to the North-West Dialects (of Phocis, Locris, Aetolia, Acarnania and Epirus) was not perceived clearly by the ancients

History of the Language Sciences: I. Approaches to Gender II. Manifestations By Sylvain Auroux, page 439


Quote: the western greek people (with affinities to the Epirotic tribes) in Orestis, Lyncus, and parts of Pelagonia; "In the shadow of Olympus.." By Eugene Borza, page 74


Quote: Pyrrhus, king of Epirus, was himself simply a military adventurer. He was none the less a soldier of fortune that he traced back his pedigree to Aeacus and Achilles Quote: He [Pyrrhus] has been compared to Alexander of Macedonia; and certainly the idea of founding a Hellenic empire of the west--which would have had as its core Epirus, Magna Graecia, and Sicily, would have commanded both the Italian seas, and would have reduced Rome and Carthage to the rank of barbarian peoples bordering on the Hellenistic state-system,like the Celts and the Indians--was analogous in greatness and boldness to the idea which led the Macedonian king over the Hellespont.

Quote: he was the first Greek that met the Romans in battle. With him began those direct relations between Rome and Hellas, on which the whole subsequent development of ancient, and an essential part of modern, civilization are based. Quote: this struggle between Rome and Hellenism was first fought out in the battles between Pyrrhus and the Roman generals; Quote: But while the Greeks were beaten in the battlefield as well as in the senate-hall, their superiority was none the less decided on every other field of rivalry than that of politics; and these very struggles already betokened that the victory of Rome over the Hellenes would be different from her victories over Gauls and Phoenicians, and that the charm of Aphrodite only begins to work when the lance is broken and the helmet and shield are laid aside. Theodor Mommsen History of Rome, From the Abolition of the Monarchy in Rome to the Union of Italy, The Historical Position Of Pyrrhus


Quote: That the molossians, who were immediately adjacent to the Dodonaeans in the time of Hecataeus but engulfed them soon afterwards, spoke Illyrian or another barbaric tongue was NOWHERE suggested, although Aeschylus and Pindar wrote of Molossian lands. That they in fact spoke greek was implied by Herodotus' inclusion of Molossi among the greek colonists of Asia minor, but became demonstranable only when D. Evangelides published two long inscriptions of the Molossian State, set up p. 369 B.C at Dodona, in Greek and with Greek names, Greek patronymies and Greek tribal names such as Celaethi, Omphales, Tripolitae, Triphylae, etc. As the Molossian cluster of tribes in the time of Hecataeus included the Orestae, Pelagones, Lyncestae, Tymphaei and Elimeotae,as we have argued above, we may be confindent that they too were Greek-speaking;

Inscriptional evidence of the Chaones is lacking until the Hellinistic period; but Ps-Scylax, describing the situation of c. 380-360 put the Southern limit of the Illyrians just north of the Chaones, which indicates that the Chaones did not speak Illyrian, and the acceptance of the Chaones into the Epirote alliance in the 330s suggest strongly that they were Greek-speaking. "The Cambridge Ancient History - The Expansion of the Greek World, Eighth to Sixth Centuries B.C., Part 3: Volume 3" by P Mack Crew ,page 284.


Quote: The Epirotes, who may fairly be considered as Greeks by blood, long maintained a rugged independence under native chiefs, who were little more than leaders in war. A Manual of Greek Antiquities Book by Percy Gardner, Frank Byron Jevons; Charles Scribner's Sons, 1895, page 8

[edit] Maps of Illyria

Thanks for linking various maps of Illyria on the Talk:Illyria. Unfortunately, most of these maps aren't very relevant or useful. First of all, most of them have no source information, which makes them useless as sources. Secondly, based on the graphic style, they appear mostly to be 19th century, so they may well be out of date. Third, most of them use the Latin names of provinces, and so are probably maps not of the regions or the pre-Roman inhabitants, but simply of the Roman provinces or prefectures -- note in particular that Illyricum in later periods was a prefecture covering the entire Balkan peninsula. Fourth, historical maps like this are often based on very fragmentary and unreliable evidence; some historians I know dismiss them completely. Fifth, maps like this often reflect political conditions (e.g. the Kingdom of thus-and-such) rather than anything corresponding to ethnicity or whatever. So I think we need to find more modern, reliable sources. --Macrakis 15:59, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Γειά! I doubt it will be possible to find modern maps that have suitable licenses. I think it would be better to find WP:Reliable sources describing the regions. But I believe most modern historians would say that it is impossible to determine ethnic boundaries for that period and in any case, this is all completely irrelevant to the modern disputes it is dragged in to (which is the only reason that Albanians and Greeks care, after all...). --Macrakis 16:49, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Parathrhtes"

...nai, peripou. Exei dyo ba8mides panw apo ton aplo xrhsth: tous "diaxeiristes" (administrators) kai tous "grafeiokrates" (bureaucrats). Oi grafeiokrates einai poly ligoi. Opoios parathrhsei parabiash tou 3RR to kataggelei sto WP:AN3 kai kapoios apo tous admins pou einai online mplokarei ton parabath. Diabase ta links sto welcome message, giati yparxoun kai polla alla pou prepei na 3ereis. Gia oti 8es, rwta me. NikoSilver 19:10, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Prepei PANW apo 3 fores se 24 wres. Mhn trellainesai, oi (opoioi) e8nikistes Albanoi einai to ligotero apo ta problhmata ths WP. Alh8eia, giati den energopoieis to hl.taxydromeio sou? Kaneis den 8a blepei th diey8ynsh, apla 8a mporeis na stelneis kai na lambaneis. NikoSilver 10:01, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Simfono me ton Niko, Elladie. Pigene edo ke vale ena e-mail an thelis (dimiurgise ena kenurio an dihni to pragmatiko su onoma ke de thelis na to dume - oli mas etsi kanume). Kalos orises ke apo mena :) --Ploutarchos 22:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Slavic Toponymes of Greece

Help needed in this article(Slavic toponymes in Greece)! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places . Very strange article that doesn’t uses any sources. Please check the talk page, Plese advise and help. Regards (Seleukosa 12:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Pre roman illyria map available

[7] This university offers a map of Pre roman Illyria.It can be used in all illyria subjects.

[edit] Kalimera

Gia sas Heladios, ti kanete :) Vlepw oti sou aresei istoria, an thelete mporoume na doulevoume mazi sto articles related to Macedonian history. Ragrds. --Revizionist (talk) 16:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bold text

Please do not put Greek words in boldface. That format is reserved for the pagename, redirects, and occasional collections of defined terms. Greek words need no additional formatting. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:24, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I thought that was the rule, as seen in other pages. Helladios (talk) 18:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
You can find the general style rules for boldface at MOS:BOLD (where MOS stands for "manual of style"). --EncycloPetey (talk) 19:56, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Slavic toponyms for Greek places 2

Please have a look and advise in the article Slavic toponyms for Greek places. I have requested it’s deletion and it is up for voting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places#Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places I have detailed reasons of the problems of this article and why I request its deletion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places#Request_for_Deletion If you like advise and participate. Your opinion is welcomed Seleukosa (talk) 17:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

In case you haven't noticed, the article has reappeared. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places. How did you change your name by the way? I'm sick of mine and want to change it too. --Tsourkpk (talk) 23:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Where is it up for voting? Because it's not here, since this is archived and it can't be modified. You can change your user name easy in WP:CHU. Just wait till a bureaucrat do it for you. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
It's not up for voting yet, but it has reappeared and it is up for discussion. --Tsourkpk (talk) 22:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Could you?

Could you contribute with your opinion here? talk chaonians.ThankouMegistias (talk) 10:15, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I dont want to contribute anymore

This is pointless.Wiki is pointless at this point since most of the time is arguing with weird theorists like in pelasgians talk.Megistias (talk) 22:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Slavic toponymes of Greek place names3

Additional help and advise needed in this article. It seems that it is becaming more and more extreme. It was deleted once but it has reapeared broken in two more articles. Please advise nad participate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavic_toponyms_for_Greek_places Seleukosa (talk) 11:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please contribute here

Please contribute here Prehistoric BalkansMegistias (talk) 22:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map

I know ,this one should be used on those articles.[8].I informed the creator of the wrong one but he must be offline.[9]Megistias (talk) 14:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Abecedar

Would you stop removing Macedonian language from Abecedar? Every one knows that the Slavic spoken language in Greece is Macedonian.You do not need to make it by force as Slavic. Pu otherwise the both names and we will be both satisfied. If we want to be equal please do that. regards--MacedonianBoy (talk) 10:11, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know the language was Macedonian (non-Greek). Could you please clarify this before adding it again. --Laveol T 11:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
According to Ethnologue.com, "Slavic" is spoken in Greece by 180,180 (ca. 1986) individuals, mostly in Greek Macedonia, around the Kastoria and Florina prefectures.[10] Also according to Ethnologue, alternative names (for this "Slavic" language spoken in Greece by close to 200,000 people) include "Macedonian Slavic" (possibly geographic), but also simply "Macedonian". Coincidence? You decide. Köbra 85 11:15, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ευχαριστώ Αδερφέ

Btw μηνυματα μεταξυ χρηστων εδω ανταλλασουμε? =/ εχει αρχισει η προπαγανδα να ακουμπαει τη wikipedia. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Macedonia αυτη ειναι ωραια σελιδα. ελπιζω να μη τη βιασουνε και να παρει και η wikipedia γνωση απο κει... —Preceding unsigned comment added by DefendEurope (talk • contribs) 06:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

χεχε ειδα σου αρεσε πολυ η wikiquote για την Μακεδονία ε? DefendEurope (talk) 14:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Ευχαριστω για την επισημανση, αλλα αν θεωρουν το αιμα τους και τη καταγωγη τους προσβολη αυτο ειναι προβλημα τους και συνιστω μαζικη αυτοκτονια. Δεν ειναι δικο μου προβλημα. DefendEurope (talk) 22:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Myrmidons

Can you remove this bulgars madness?[11]Megistias (talk) 09:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Lol, what was that??? Done... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 09:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] contemporary considered nationalist theory = necessary not objective?

hello, i noticed your addition to the article that i deleted, ok, just demostrate me what you re-added. maybe is better in the apposite section "contemporary considered nationalist theory = necessary not objective?" in the pelasgians talk page

thankyou, PelasgicMoon (talk) 20:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A vandal

Removing material and sourced comments.numbered.In example this diff but see his contribs seems sock.Megistias (talk) 09:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please use English on talk pages

Thanks for your efforts with DefendEurope. It's certainly good advice, but it would be better if you would use English when talking to other users. Talk pages (even user talk) are, by design, public forums; for instance, someday an administrator may want to know whether anyone had ever asked him to discuss major changes in controversial articles. Why make them wonder? Kafziel Complaint Department 22:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

You are right, I will from now and on. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 22:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Alright guys, I will use English too (in important subjects)... ..it's just that I've seen many people using Slavic languages, Germanic languages etc and I thought it was ok to speak Greek with other Greeks.. DefendEurope (talk) 12:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
True, true... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 12:19, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRtB5B6grnA <true, true..

..so.. CatOwl, do you have any external site i can contact you faster? i have myspace and youtube etc.. DefendEurope (talk) 12:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

No, I don't have a site or anything like that. But I'll try to contact you on yours when ever I get some spare time... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:40, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

ok, τα λεμε..DefendEurope (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PGG

I saw your edit in genocides list. The topic is also discussed in the pontic greek genocide talk page.Xenovatis (talk) 12:59, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Illyria

The article is not in albanian language or origin of albanians.Its Illyria and the addition is completely irrelevant.Megistias (talk) 12:36, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm... you got a point. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 12:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
He did it again this time on Illyrians diff article and doesnt seem deterred as he doestn seem to understand.Megistias (talk) 13:29, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Pls, don't start again..."  ?????

this is your rebounding to the argument, you should speak in the talk page about your deletions in the article

Respectfully

PelasgicMoon (talk) 19:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I already have! :) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 19:52, 19 March 2008 (UTC)


and not just if i contact the editor review ;)

PelasgicMoon (talk) 19:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure I got your point, what do you precisely mean? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 20:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for arbitration, notification

I opened a request for arbitration, you're involved in the dispute.

the link is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration#.7BCensorship.3F_request_for_arbitration.7D

PelasgicMoon (talk) 22:55, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, you tried... ;) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ancient Greece

Yeia sou Gali

I saw your edits in that article and I would like to ask if you are interested in helping out with shaping it up. It is currently substantard for such an important article and the prose and citations are both lacking.It can be improved by alot and should be a FA considering the subject. Drop me a message at my talk if you're interested. Errosthe.Xenovatis (talk) 00:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

Eucharisto for your ascent and your quick reply. Gali is cat in ancient like glauka is owl! I meant the Ancient Greece article which we should be the first to work on and get into GA status as it is probably the most visited and widely read. I have already left some comments in the talk page and would like to hear your thoughts. Then I was thinking we could start from the lead and rework all sections one by one, adding references and tidying up the prose. ALOT of references are needed to get to GA and FA status, about one per sentence really! so that would be alot of work. I really need the help , especially with Google Book or Google Scholar. Tell me what you think at the article's talk page. Errosthe.Xenovatis (talk) 21:53, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Γαλή!! Of course... One must be careful with Greeklish these days!...:) The Cat and the Owl (talk) 05:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "Republic"

Can someone see to his insults?diff racistMegistias (talk) 09:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] No such thing

Please remove this completely its already discussed in the article and properly.This is weasel pov diff.And look at his contribs.Megistias (talk) 19:50, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually Britannica mentions that they are "most likely descended from the Illyrians".Xenovatis (talk) 20:05, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
The edits he made say something else and taking account the whole article were simply inappropriate.Megistias (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
I concur with Megistias on this one because the theory of Illyrian descent is very thoroughly discussed in the article. To repeat it again and again and especially insterting in the intro is POV-pushing by repetition. His edits were also of real low quality, and this is a very well-written and referenced article. --Tsourkpk (talk) 21:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Its was readded diff,diffand ignored what was discussed on the talk page and plainly the fact that the article has an Illyrian origin section and the edit is pov and wants to preplace the origin in Illyrians which upon reading the article and the specialised references this origin seems even more impropable.Megistias (talk) 08:36, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander

Do not add such childish comments - "pls behave". If you have to say something then keep it academic and real.Karabinier (talk) 16:02, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Karabinier, its been explained to you, consensus and sources.Your "political" supposed argument is irrelevant.Megistias (talk) 13:00, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Megistias answered you for me... The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:03, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration enforcement

Please see here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Arbitration_enforcement#User:Karabinier Thanks.Xenovatis (talk) 13:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Γεια χαρά

Hey there, love your work. You may be interested in the discussion at Talk:Macedonian alphabet#Lead. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 17:21, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks and sorry for the delayed reply, I'm a bit busy lately. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 20:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Καλέ κάνε δουλειά σου. Συγγνώμη κιόλας για την ενόχληση. ·ΚέκρωΨ· (talk) 20:43, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alexander the Great

YesTourskin (talk) 17:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Urdu,pakistan,burushu

This user has been adding fringe theories(and quite funny) on a number of articles.diff.Removal and a talk with him...please.Megistias (talk) 20:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Other removals diff,diff of referenced material.Megistias (talk) 09:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] greetings

Hello, marry easter for my dear greek orthodox friend. PelasgicMoon (talk) 16:51, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, thank you very much, very nice of you. :) However I am not a christian or any other religion really... You see I prefer to think than to believe! ;) Anyway, thanks again, a nice easter to you too! The Cat and the Owl (talk) 17:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


the same for me, i don't believe. Aniway thanks for greetings. PelasgicMoon (talk) 19:07, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] About your message

Kala, den ehw provlima me auto pou les. Alla, edo, vlepo pou grafeis mono ellinika. Esis otan grafete mono ellinika, giati egw prepi na grafo makedonika kai agglika? Gia sas. --Revizionist (talk) 22:52, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

If you take a better look, you will see that after this kind request I never used Greek. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 07:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Kala, entaksi. All right, good. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 09:19, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] hmmm

I do use english most of the times and I would advice you to do the same.Thank you.--Taulant23 (talk) 10:09, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I never advice anyone for something I first don't apply to myself. Cheers! The Cat and the Owl (talk) 13:34, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Another one

Here's another quote for your wonderful Userpage:

A recent proponent of this school was Professor Olivier Masson, who in his article on the ancient Macedonian language in the third edition of the Oxford Classical Dictionary tentatively suggested that Macedonian was related to North-Western Greek dialects:[1]

“ In our view the Greek character of most names is obvious and it is difficult to think of a Hellenization due to wholesale borrowing [...]The small minority of names which do not look Greek [...] may be due to a substratum or adstratum influences (as elsewhere in Greece).Macedonian may then be seen as a Greek dialect, characterized by its marginal position and by local pronunciations. Yet in contrast with earlier views which made of it an Aeolic dialect [...] we must by now think of a link with North-West Greek [...] We must wait for new discoveries, but we may tentatively conclude that Macedonian is a dialect related to North-West Greek. ”

That's a real solid one. --Tsourkpk (talk) 23:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, actually all of it is here, I'll add it also in my user page. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 23:28, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] If you have time, please have a look here

Can you have a look at the following discussion about the article History of democracy, any comment is much appreciated!

discussion topics:

Thank you in advance! A.Cython (talk) 11:57, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your Edit of the History Page

I made some edits of further reading in the main page on History, and somehow someone managed to vandalise the opening sentence of the piece, and it looks like it was me (which is most certainly wasn't!). Thank you for reverting the page back to its previous version; I have now amended it to include my intended edits although I remain rather worried that some idiot was able to insert some juvenile comments into the piece and yet it is recorded in the edits log as something to do with me! Thanks again, Russ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Russeltarr (talk • contribs) 16:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

No worries, you may then include your edits now. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 19:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
sorry dude. i really can't get involved right now. especially in "articles" like that. let them have it. but they will have to move some of their "stuff" in this article and clean the other 3 that have already covered the issue...

and still. it's not a big deal. the 4000 Slavmacedonians (i mean look at the rainbow party) in Greece do not prove one point CuteHappyBrute (talk) 19:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

No probs, I know what you mean. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 20:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Please use English

Hello. When on the English-language Wikipedia, please always use English, no matter to whom you address your comments. This is so that comments may be comprehensible to the community at large. If the use of another language is unavoidable, please provide a translation of the comments. For more details, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. Thank you. P m kocovski (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Lol, when did you noticed me using other language than Greek after this kind request, more than 2 months ago?? The Cat and the Owl (talk) 08:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bastardization

According to corruption (linguistics): "Text bastardization is: Unauthorized alteration and publication of a text inconsistent with the original purpose or the author's intention." I don't think that quite fits the intended meaning in the Kastoria article. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 17:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure, but it also means: "To modify especially by introducing discordant or disparate elements". It depends on the sentence, of course. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 17:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
There's nothing "discordant or disparate". The correct term is neither "bastardization" nor "corruption", but simply loan. "Corruption" is used more with changes within one language. Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your tireless work

reverting stupid vandalisms in Greek mythology articles is noted with gratitude by at least one editor. Thank you. --Wetman (talk) 19:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Macedon

Rikse mia matia se parakalw sto Talk:Macedon#Macedon's Territory opote exeis xrono. Aytos o typos konteyei na me trelanei. --Tsourkpk (talk) 00:13, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] I would like for you to look at the article NOF

Hello, I seek the truth in history and hate one-sided POV in any writings. I would like for you to look at my objections on the talk page of the article titled NOF. I think that the creator of this article, someone named Revizionist, has created a very biased and untrue work. Can you help to change this? I have sent a message to Kekrops as well.AgiosD (talk) 02:31, 23 May 2008 (UTC)