User talk:TheLimbicOne

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Contents 1 Welcome 2 Germ layer 3 Toes and abdomens 4 Re: Symmetry (biology) 5 Re: Stealing 6 Your contributions 7 fix edit summary 8 Image:Wikispecies dna strands 35.png 9 tegument 10 Re: Mer vs. Per 11 Re: Peritoneum 12 re: peer review body cavity 13 Hemocoel 14 My next merger 14.1 Yea I'm still here 14.2 Re: Eumetazoa 15 Re: User page 16 Moving on 17 Updates (germ layer, etc) 18 WikiProject Neuroscience 19 Re: RRevised 20 Coelomata 21 Your opinion requested 22 Limbic system 23 Theia-Earth collision image 24 Re: plural edits 25 Edit summaries 26 Katie Holmes 27 History of Earth 28 Embryology 29 Re: I'm back! 30 You may be interested 31 Opinion requested 32 Image Tagging for Image:Bilateral_symmetry.png 33 Orphaned non-free image (Image:Radial symmetry.png)

[edit] Welcome

Welcome!

Hello TheLimbicOne, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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[edit] Germ layer

If your bio textbook and wikispecies both say this then it's most likely that version is correct. Be bold and change it, as long as you use a good edit summary and/or explain the changes on the talk page. JFW | T@lk 08:15, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Toes and abdomens

I take your point about the intent of the Abdomen page and must say I didn't appreciate its purpose at the time. My toes are quite intact, thankyou, as is my spirit. Abdomen really is in dire need of some work. My first thought was it needed a disambiguation page, but now I'm thinking maybe some article that is informative, but provides the disambiguation links as well, may be more useful. I'll stick this to the abdomen discussion page in case others are more inspired to have a go. --Mattopaedia 01:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Symmetry (biology)

Wow, nice cleanup. The article was definitely a bit of an embarrassment before. It's such an important topic; I'm going to keep an eye out for more information to add later on. For the merge discussion, I would just leave a comment at the bottom like "Merge completed" or whatever you'd like, and sign it, that way it will be obvious that the matter is complete. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:21, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry—I'm glad you like it. I would try adding some of it in myself, but you'd probably be better than I. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Stealing

Good! I'm glad you want to use it! I dislike fragmented conversations, and yet I want my messages to be on the recipient's talk page...and then I saw User:GordonWatts (currently inactive) mark his messages in blue and I liked it (I can't recall that he placed messages on the recipient's page as well, though). It makes it so much easier to follow matters later on. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Your contributions

I've been looking at your edits. I have Brachiopod on my watchlist and it called my attention to your work. I just want to say I am quite impressed with your work and really happy that some of the sloppy ends are being cleaned up, such as moving all the symmetry stuff into one place. Good job, and then some!

If you ever need anything, I am an admin, so just leave me a message. --DanielCD 21:08, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] fix edit summary

Gimme a min to check it out. --DanielCD 21:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Just let Ec know that you meant him. There's actually not a way to change those that I know of, as it's really not a big deal. You might just proofread the article again, as you bound to find something that can be improved, then you can add the correction to that edit summary.

In fact I did find something minor to fix. Now the edit summary accurately credits Ec. TheLimbicOne 22:39, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

But as a simple answer: it can't be fixed as far as I know (unless perhaps you appeal to Jimbo himself, who can then apply for an Act of Congress...lol). Shouldn't be a big deal, just chalk it up to a learning experience. --DanielCD 21:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

In addition, you could always make a "null edit" and add that. Nothing says you can't. --DanielCD 21:51, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

About the edit summary: Actually, you could always just make a "null edit" and add a comment to that. Nothing says you can't. --DanielCD 21:52, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Wikispecies dna strands 35.png

I notice you are trying to speedy delete Image:Wikispecies dna strands 35.png. That image is on the Wikimedia Commons, so you should move your use of {{tlp|db|Thumbnail}} to there. --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 22:30, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you; I've done as you suggested. TheLimbicOne 22:38, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] tegument

In tapeworms, the "skin" is actually called a "tegument," not an "integument." I think that the link to integumentary system works, though. In fact, I made tegument redirect there. Thanks for linking to integumentary system; I wouldn't have known the article existed otherwise.

Happy New Year, Dave (talk) 23:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Mer vs. Per

Why, thank you. I'll have to do some research to comment further on this matter—my knowledge of human embryology is fading; that of non-human embryology is even weaker. It's fascinating material though, and provides an amazing insight into how the same basic body plan can be modified to produce such a diverse array of life! — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:11, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it is—which is why resources like Wikipedia are so great! I'll try to do some reading up on this stuff and see what I can do, when I have time. You know, I was not familiar with {{RRevised}}; I am not certain what effect it will have. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:20, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Peritoneum

Here's a list of some things in peritoneum I think are a bit sus':

1. "it covers most of the intra-abdominal organs" -- I can't think of any it doesn't cover
2. "two layers: the outer layer, called the parietal peritoneum, is attached to the abdominal wall and the inner layer, the visceral peritoneum, ... " -- I think this is badly worded. Anatomically it would be more accurate to just describe parietal peritoneum as attached to abdo wall and visceral as covering the viscera. The whole inner and outer thing makes me think of some kind of concentric arrangement, which is not true since the viscera are all applied to, or hang on mesentries from, the posterior abdo wall.
3. the embryology needs buffing.
4. both omenta don't form the lesser sac. The lesser sac is the space bounded anteriorly by the posterior layer of the lesser omentum and the posterior wall of the stomach and posteriorly by the parietal peritoneum which overlies several important retroperitoneal organs including the IVC, aorta, pancreas, right kidney and suprarenal gland. The left wall is the lienorenal ligament, spleen, gastrosplenic ligament, short gastric arteries and greater curvature of the stomach, the inferior wall is the transverse mesocolon, the right wall is the free edge of the lesser omentum with contians the hepatic portal vein, hepatic artery and bile duct, and which forms the anterior part of the epiploic foramen. The posterior part of the epiploic foramen is the parietal peritoneum overlying the IVC. The superior wall is the inferior surface of the left side of the liver as far to the right as the porta hepatis. That's just off the top of my head, so check a text to confirm.
5. all of the first part (D1) and last part of the 4th part (D2) of the duodenum are intraperitoneal. all of the second and third parts are retroperitonreal.

That's about it. Better check the links too. Happy editing! Mattopaedia 07:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] re: peer review body cavity

I definitely learned some new things reading your expanded article! I'll see if I can dig up some material. — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:32, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hemocoel

A hemocoel is the cavity present in organisms with an open circulatory system. It's filled with hemolymph. The open circulatory system itself is the hemolymph, the hemocoel, the heart(s), etc. The two articles should link to each other, and could definitely be merged, except for one thing: Apparently Hemocoel has a secondary meaning:

A Hemocoel is also the space in the connective tissue compartment derived from the embryonic blastocoel with contributions from mesoderm, filled with blood.

Hope this helps. I'll fix up the relevant articles a bit. Dave (talk) 22:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I actually studied for my Parasitology class by writing articles on various worms. You might want to check out what I did with hemolymph and hemocoel. I think that hemolymph can be merged into open circulatory system and hemocoel works best as a disambig between the two meanings. If you support the merge, I hope you'll write that. Thanks for bringing these articles to my attention. Dave (talk) 23:02, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I've already fixed most of the disambigs and all of the double redirects. Do you want to do the single redirects, or should we just call it a day? Dave (talk) 23:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] My next merger

[edit] Yea I'm still here

I'm just having a silent tantrum. I'll be back tomorrow, when I get it out of my system. And I'll look at your page.

Just saw some stuff that made me question a few things. --DanielCD 04:30, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow, I'm going to have to do some memory refreshing before I can give a proper opinion. I'll take a peek tomorrow (Yawwwwn). Getting late here. --DanielCD 04:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

A hornets' nest...apt description. I'm sorry I haven't had time to look at it yet. But yea, Wikipedia is a place for people of opinions. --DanielCD 02:44, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Eumetazoa

The editors who have joined the discussion after you asked me seem to be quite knowledgeable; certainly more knowledgeable than I. I'll add the page to my watchlist and keep an eye on it; I'll contribute if I think of something. Nice job spurring interest in this, by the way. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:39, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Quoting from your question elsewhere: "My bio textbook says that all animals more complex than sponges produce two or three germ layers. The Wikipedia suggests that only Eumetazoa produce germ layers. I'm compiling the germ layer, mesoderm, ectoderm, and endoderm stubs into one article and need to know which fact is correct for my final revision. Please feel free to respond on my Wikipedia Talk page. 68.106.203.138 23:56, 17 December 2005 "

The Eumetazoa includes all animals other than sponges, so both statments are in fact correct. Sponges are the only animals lacking germ layers. Within the Eumetazoa (all non-sponge animals) there are animals with two germ layers (jellyfish come to mind) and those with three (people for example). I hope this helps Dmccabe 04:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

You are welcome of course! Dmccabe 21:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: User page

Well...I'd say I consider it more of a tongue-in-cheek story rather than a rigorous explanation. To be honest, I'm not even sure what a limbic gland is—a Google search only turned up two hits, neither of which was very helpful. — Knowledge Seeker দ 03:58, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Moving on

Removing the tags sounds fair to me.

The original version of the flatworm page said acoelomate flatworms; what was actually meant was acoel flatworms, which are now classified as the Acoelomorpha. Thanks for spotting the problem, I've fixed the page accordingly. Josh

I don't mind, but keep in mind I'm not an expert. I think the text is perhaps misleading, because the two systems as described aren't mutually incompatible. In many schemes, the Bilateria are divided into deuterostomes and protostomes, which are in turn divided into Ecdysozoa and Lophotrochozoa.

There's also one more group to worry about, the Platyzoa. TOL shows it as a bunch of phyla of uncertain origin, but since 2002 there's been evidence that they share a common origin. Some authors consider it as part of the Lophotrochozoa and others don't. We've been following the latter approach, in part because it makes the groups easier to discuss, so I'll add mention of them to the page.

In general, though, I don't think info that is uncertain or subject to change should be copied in too many places. All these groups are already discussed on the animal page, and I think that's a better place for it than Eumetazoa, a group that does not appear in too many classification schemes. So I'd suggest keeping there things to a short summary.

Thanks again, Josh

[edit] Updates (germ layer, etc)

Thanks for the heads up! —Pengo 03:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

• It looks really good Limbic. I like the layout and flow; well done!

[edit] WikiProject Neuroscience

By the way, a few weeks ago I started reviving Wikipedia:WikiProject_Neuroscience. How are you not over there yet? :) Semiconscious (talk · home) 05:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: RRevised

Heh...good luck! You may also consider asking someone on the Wikipedia:Cleanup Taskforce to take a look at it. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:49, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Coelomata

Not particularly relevant as Coelomata is a clade name and the taxobox in question is just a parody.

[edit] Your opinion requested

History of Earth is my new pet project. I've only written a couple sections so far, but if you have a chance, take a glance at it and let me know what you think on my talk page. Do you think this kind of article is appropriate for Wikipedia? — Knowledge Seeker দ 08:40, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback! Especially for examining it so closely. I still have quite a ways to go on it, obviously, but I thought it'd be a good idea to make sure someone else thought I was going in the right direction before I worked any more on it. You can take your time reviewing it; I'm going to be away the next few days and so probably won't make any progress on it until next week. I'd definitely like the picture—I love stuff like that! Feel free to include the lava rocks if you think it's appropriate; I'm trying to briefly summarize the current theories and obviously can't go into too much detail, but in areas with controversy or not much data, we should briefly mention the major possibilities. By the way, you can use <SPAN> (it's an inline element) instead of <DIV>, a block-level element. — Knowledge Seeker দ 05:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Limbic system

I've replied to you on the Category talk page, too. As for the categories, I think it's okay for there to be overlapping categories, as this happens a LOT in the brain: something can be in the limbic system, cortex, central nervous system, and endocrine system all at once! It's tough to figure out how to categorize them. Neuroscience categories really need to be reworked, so when I have time I'm going to reorganize them. For now, don't worry about it really; you did a great job. Semiconscious · talk 02:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• I'm not certain about the limbic template... I don't really know what to do with it. Should we include just structures (e.g., hypothalamus), types of structures (e.g., allocortex), theoretical aspects (e.g. Papez circuit), etc. It's a tough call.
• You may also want to check out how I did the references; Wikipedia has some cool templates to make referencing easier. :) Semiconscious · talk 21:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Theia-Earth collision image

I found a beautiful illustration of the Theia-Earth collision. Thought you might be interested. It's a shame we can't use it on Wikipedia. — Knowledge Seeker দ 06:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: plural edits

Sorry, I was having problems following the links and assumed that it was a problem with the links themselves; in fact it was due to a monobook.js problem that I have since corrected. Thanks for performing the revert. haz (user talk) 11:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

I wondered about this (a little bit) when first faced with making an edit summary, and assumed this was the way to go. Do you think I should use the "conventional" order? On a cosmic level, I don't suppose it matters too much! ... Puffball 20:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I am an adherent of Zen, as a matter of fact! Suggest we leave the help desk out of it, or face a long and utterly pointless discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style. There's enough nitpicking on WP as it is :) I think I'll go on as before ... till I get blocked for it. Puffball 21:10, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Hardly a major one, but it's a good page & very interesting to work on. Just the kind of thing WP is for, IMO. Oddly enough, after our last exchange some Freudian thing made me hit the "Save page" button without doing the edit summary. Puffball 21:30, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Katie Holmes

Greetings! You have edited the Katie Holmes page in the past. I've completely reworked the article and have posted it on WP:PR in the hopes of advancing it to WP:FAC. I would be grateful for your comments at Wikipedia:Peer review/Katie Holmes/archive1. PedanticallySpeaking 18:38, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] History of Earth

Your contributions have been quite helpful. I've been away too but will return next week. Thanks for the barnstar! I'll add it to my userpage when I add the awards section back. — Knowledge Seeker দ 21:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Embryology

Thank you so much for the kind words and the barnstar. And if you have any suggestions for Template:Embryology (what should be included, or how it should be organized), feel free to edit it -- it would be very good to have another set of eyes look at it. --Arcadian 12:55, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: I'm back!

Hello, and welcome back! Nice to hear from you again! Yes, I'm in my referencing phase now, trying to add citations for as much of the article as possible. I can't believe it's already at 54! And I still have more to go. Yes, by all means I want you to continue helping me out. After all, you're the first editor to join me working on this article. The discussions I had with you (and Puffball) helped shape the direction of the article. And your encouragement helped me continue work. One of the most problematic sections for me is Civilization. My grasp of history is not as strong as that of other fields, and it is extremely difficult to condense 10 millenia of civilization into a couple paragraphs. Do you have any suggestions for improvement? As I catch up to that section with my referencing, I'll probably try to rewrite it a bit as well. I'm hoping to have it ready for peer review in a week or so—what do you think? — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:13, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] You may be interested

Hi LimbicOne! You may be interested in having a look at the WikiProject for Preclinical Medicine. Thanks! -- Serephine / talk - 02:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Opinion requested

... on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behzad Ghorbani. He apparently co-discovered and/or named 2 minor species of planaria. Is that notable enough to deserve an article? You seem to be a knowledgeable biology editor, please weigh in on that discussion. AnonEMouse (squeak) 15:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

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