User:The Bipolar Anon-IP Gnome/afterrestore
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- The problem in a nutshell ...
A new editor creates a "work in progress" article that gets tagged for WP:Speedy deletion by Some Other Editor as part of their WP:New pages patrol activities ... when the author returns the next day and the article has been deleted, their only clue is the courtesy warning message left by the editor who tagged it, so they become the author's first point of contact to find out WTF happened.
This happens so frequently that I have created a "boilerplate greeting" just to deal with it ... the following essays are a continuation of that effort to educate the nuggets about how things work here regarding the speedy deletion of articles that do not satisfy the WP:Notability guidelines in the opinions of at least two other editors, one of whom belongs to the group known as WP:Administrators.
Sometimes a stub of an article gets deleted Too Quickly, and the author may request that it be restored so that they may be allowed to continue improving it ... the second essay introduces a Protocol to minimize friction from proposed and speedy deletions that attempts to reduce the Serious Bad Karma sometimes caused by simply not knowing how things work here on Wikipedia. —68.239.79.82 18:43, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] What to do after your speedy delete has been restored
If you do convince the closing admin to restore the deleted article be sure to add a note to that effect on the article's talk page ... seeing an article recreated without any notice that it was restored by and admin looks suspiciously like the author has recreated it in defiance of the CSD, and another user may look at the edit history and assume that the author removed the CSD tag in violation of procedure ... this can result in harsher responses from both editors and admins who were not previously involved.
At worst, an admin who sees multiple {{nn-warn}} tags for the same article on the author's talk page, just hours or days apart in their time stamps, may even salt the article to prevent recreation after they speedy delete it for the second or third time ... miscommunication, pure and simple.
Never attribute to malice what adequately can be explained by ignorance and/or stupidity.
I guess this kind of notification is primarily the responsibility of the admin doing the restore, but the author shares responsibility for altering others as to the true nature of the "recreation after deletion" ... another alternative is to use your sandbox to whip it into shape before posting it again, so as to avoid the premature tagging of a "work in progress" that actually has merit for inclusion.
OTOH, "Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom" ... here's a tale of a WikiTroll who kept creating nonsense articles:
- Nwilson123 (talk · contribs) created:
- This is the kind of behavior that editors and admins assume when they see multiple nn-warns for the same article on a user's talk page ... sometimes that indicates that a
{{db}}was removed, and then another editor tagged it a few hours later, unaware of the previous DB and nn-warn because they didn't check the author's talk page first.
- In this example, the names were close enough to each other that at first glance it appears to be multiple nn-warns for the same article ... the delete log for the one that was salted shows four incidents between
- That's 18 hours between the second (db-repost) speedy delete, salting the page to prevent its recreation again, and imposing indefinitely block on Nwilson123 (talk · contribs).
This kind of experience makes some editors and admins quick to respond to multiple warnings about the same subject on a User Talk page ... in this case, I had put a {{db-nonsense}} on an article, and was in the process of adding a {{nn-warn}} to the author's Talk Page, when I saw some of the previous warnings ... so I went back to add a {{db-repost}}, had an edit conflict trying to save it, and finally realized that an administrator had zapped it while I was editing it.
Long story short ... when I came across it again on New pages patrol, I notified an admin, suggested salting it, and moved on ... only later did I discover that the user had been blocked forever by the Powers That Be.
Happy Editing! —68.239.79.82 (talk · contribs) 06:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] What to do when a speedy delete tag is removed
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The choice of how to tag an article is subjective, which is why any unregistered editor can say, "This looks bogus," but only Administrators can say, "Yes, it's beyond redemption in its current or foreseeable state," or else, "No, let's hang on to it for a while and see if it can be improved."
Changing a {{db}} to a {{prod}} is one way to grant newbies more time with an automatic timeout period (five days), and you don't have to be an admin to do that ... sometimes, an editor decides to go directly to WP:Articles for Deletion in order to get a consensus opinion on the fledgling article as quickly as possible; ironically, this gives the author even more time (up to a week) to find help and make improvements.
OTOH, an overwhelming and nearly unanimous chorus of Delete or Keep/Merge/Redirect opinions can close the debate in less than 48 hours, as was the case with WP:AfD/Rest Among Ruins ... they're not "votes", BTW, because the decision will be based on the quality of opinions expressed, not the quantity, and sometimes one well argued Delete can trump a dozen lame Keep comments by fanboys of the subject ... some editors may advise Salt to prevent an article's recreation by repeating miscreants like User:Nwilson123, who has been indefinitely blocked from editing because of their mischief.
Now, as the author of this protocol, I sincerely try to follow these steps faithfully, but I'm one of Those People who do not "suffer fools gladly" ... still, I've found this to be a Path of Least Resistance if you can just stay on it ...
[edit] Draft protocol to minimize friction from speedy deletions
- To avoid duplication, I have copied the draft protocol to WP:FLAG-PROTOCOL. —72.75.70.207 08:43, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] It's not YOUR article
Remember ... no electronic document is really "gone forever" ... you just have to convince an admin to restore it ... and as the user who merely tagged it, I have neither the authority nor the data base access rights to restore an article once deleted ... but if a Higher Power decides that it was prematurely judged unworthy, then so long as the author is willing to do the legwork to find and add the reliable sources (it's their responsibility, after all), I'm usually willing to work on the cosmetic aspects of it, e.g., add {{cite web}} templates to replace simple external links, and find ISBNs for {{cite book}} references so that it looks more encyclopedic.
OTOH, see Wikipedia:Ownership of articles ... you have to be civil with other editors who disagree that your article's subject is sufficiently notable to have an article in Wikipedia, and there are procedures to keep the process fair and as open as possible.
Try to remember that the warnings are generated by templates ... this was the response of one editor to a {{nn-warn}} placed on their User Talk page when I put a {{db-inc}} on their "work in in progress" article ...
I don't like your language young man. Please eject yourself from this website. Zillionaire (talk · contribs) 12:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
And Some Other Editor accused me of violating WP:CIVIL just for not using the template! ... I provided my argument for deletion on the article's Discussion page (echoing the sentiments of another editor), instead of on the User's Talk page ... I restored a {{db-inc}} after they deleted it ... later, when the author had added more links, another editor removed the tag ... so I just added some {{cite book}} replacements with ISBNs that I researched, and Moved On.
Be careful of Hot Buttons ... a {{db-inc}} and its associated warning stencil will ruffle fewer feathers than a {{db-spam}} and its warning ... and never put a {{db-nonsense}} where a {{db-person}} will do just as well ... trust me, I've seen it happen, and it's not a Pretty Sight.
Here's a before and an after of one page that might easily have been tagged with {{db-person}}, but I researched the subject on IMDb so that I could add a {{imdb name}}, and broke the single paragraph into three ... that's basically what we WikiGnomes do ... and note that this Wikipedia article has Much More bigraphical information than the subject's bio on IMDb ... they have a better listing of his TV appearances, but that's their job, and the reason why we have templates to link to the actors and films in their database (so we don't have to copy them here, or make explicit links to them).
See Stepin Fetchit for an example of an article that I patrol for frequent vandalism ... the Selected filmography section is one of my contributions ... at first, it was just a list of all of his films that some editor had copy-pasted from the IMDb page ... I renamed the section to "Selected" and pruned it to just the films that had Wikipedia articles, in spite of a mini revert-war with another editor ... and naturally I documented my changes on the discussion page.
Happy Editing! —68.239.79.82 (talk · contribs) 07:14, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
