Template talk:Theories of gravitation

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  • Why is this template always minimized now? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 155.198.210.66 (talk) 12:36, August 20, 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Stub labelling

Why are stubs marked? It is not easy to maintain, and we should avoid self-references of this sort. –Pomte 17:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Have to agree, I'm taking them out. If some wikiproject wants to keep track of these things they should do it in the Wikipedia namespace, IMO. Bryan Derksen (talk) 09:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

I recommend to replace the internal wikilinks in this template by external links. For example: Everytime I click in Le Sage's theory of gravitation on "What links here", all gravity related articles of that template appear in the created list. I now corrected that for "Mechanical explanations of graviation" and "Le Sage's theory of gravitation". --D.H (talk) 12:11, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Undid this - using external links for internal pages significantly impairs reusability of Wikipedia content. While the effect on backlinks is a little unfortunate, you should really talk to MediaWiki developers about changing the way template-generated links work if this is a significant issue. Spot-fixes like this aren't the way to go. Zetawoof(ζ) 12:33, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Template style

I've reverted the design of the template back to how it was, as the new style didn't seem to work well to me: each section of it was automatically hidden, requiring me to open each one, and also the sub-bullets didn't appear correctly as everything was aligned to the centre. The design of the template as it is should look fine on any monitor with over 800 by 600 pixels, which should be pretty much any modern computer, unless you have the text size increased. I was going to switch the template over to rows, e.g. like {{Manchester B&S}} uses, but I'm not sure how that can be done while keeping the existing sub-bullet points. Mike Peel (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Hmm - don't know what you're using, but on my machine (Safari 3.1, Mac OS X) the infobox is nearly 1000px wide - too wide for a 1024x768 monitor, to say nothing of 800x600. I'm not using an unusual font, so I'm kind of at a loss as to why it'd look so different for you.
With regard to a more standard infobox, I tried that myself but wasn't able to figure out any sensible way to lay it out. Part of the problem, though, is that I'm not quite familiar enough with the topic to judge which parts of the structure are critical. Zetawoof(ζ) 12:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism by 128.196.210.67

A user from the IP address 128.196.210.67 deleted the intra-Wikipedia link Omega Point quantum gravity TOE from the template with the explanation "removed pseudoscientific theory". This is an explanation without merit as any cursory examination of the article it links to would show. Prof. Frank J. Tipler's Omega Point quantum gravity Theory of Everything (TOE) was first published in a 2005 paper[1] in the journal Reports on Progress in Physics.

Out of 50 articles, Prof. Tipler's said paper[1] was selected as one of 12 for the "Highlights of 2005" accolade as "the very best articles published in Reports on Progress in Physics in 2005 [Vol. 68]. Articles were selected by the Editorial Board for their outstanding reviews of the field. They all received the highest praise from our international referees and a high number of downloads from the journal Website."[2] Reports on Progress in Physics is the leading journal of the Institute of Physics (based on its impact factor, according to Journal Citation Reports[3]), Britain's main professional body for physicists.

Further, Reports on Progress in Physics has a higher impact factor than Physical Review Letters, which has for a number of decades been regarded as the most prestigious American physics journal (one, incidently, which Prof. Tipler has been published in more than once). A journal's impact factor reflects the importance the science community places in that journal in the sense of actually citing its papers in their own papers. (And just to point out, Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper could not have been published in Physical Review Letters since said paper is nearly book-length, and hence not a "letter" as defined by the latter journal.)

Indeed, Prof. Tipler's Omega Point quantum gravity TOE is exceptionally orthodox, in the sense that it accepts all the known fundamental laws of physics (i.e., the second law of thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics) while proposing no new such fundamental laws, unlike with, e.g., string theory, which proposes the existence of a new fundamental substance, i.e., strings, which make up elementary particles.

It's the ultimate future-state conclusion of the Omega Point which is intrinsic to this quantum gravity TOE which seems to incite the most ire of some people, but regarding the Omega Point Theory by itself (i.e., without the quantum gravity TOE component), it has been published in numerous peer-reviewed scientific journals.[4][5][6][7][8][1][9] The most recent of which was in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society in August 2007,[9] which is one of the world's leading astrophysics journals.

So what this user at IP address 128.196.210.67 rather means is that he desires that the Omega Point quantum gravity TOE be pseudoscience. For the above-detailed reasons I'm reverting this user's deletion.--67.232.59.169 (talk) 08:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Don't be so quick to start crying vandalism, I just saw a frankly retarded theory being pushed by some crackpot sitting in the same section as legitimate theories. If you're trying to sell this Prof. Frank J. Tipler nonsense, then by all means go ahead and add it again. I just thought it'd be better to make wikipedia accurate for once and representative of actual research. But whatever, you just got to hope people go to that article, see the NPOV flag there and see how ridiculous the theory is, and make a judgement call themselves. Cheers! General Epitaph (talk) 00:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Your present edit is especially vandalism, since I already clearly pointed out above that the Omega Point quantum gravity TOE most definitely qualifies for inclusion in this Wikipedia template. It qualifies based upon Wikipedia's own rules, i.e., its "Policies and guidelines," namely under "Attribution," subsection "Reliable sources."
Clearly you are vexed to a great extent regarding Prof. Tipler's Omega Point Theory, with you giving the fallacious explanation "removed nonscientific [sic] theory about God or something" in your edit note, even though I already clearly demonstrate above that Prof. Tipler's Omega Point Theory has been published in many mainline peer-reviewed physics journals, including a number of leading physics journals; furthermore, that citations information is already contained in the "Omega Point (Tipler)" article entry which the "Omega Point quantum gravity TOE" template link points to.
Moreover, the Omega Point quantum gravity TOE has been published in Reports in Progress in Physics, the leading journal of the Institute of Physics (based on its impact factor, according to Journal Citation Reports), Britain's main professional body for physicists. Said journal has a higher impact factor than Physical Review Letters, which is regarded as the most prestigious American physics journal. Further, Prof. Tipler's Omega Point quantum gravity TOE paper was selected as one of 12 for the "Highlights of 2005" accolade as "the very best articles published in Reports on Progress in Physics in 2005 [Vol. 68]. Articles were selected by the Editorial Board for their outstanding reviews of the field. They all received the highest praise from our international referees and a high number of downloads from the journal Website."
Indeed, so vexed are you by the Omega Point Theory that it has caused you to rudely make the ad hominem attacks of "crackpot" and "nonsense" upon it, thereby slurring quite a number of mainline peer-reviewed physics journals and the professional physicists who referee for them, which includes some of the leading physics journals.
You have here amply demonstrated that you have a total disregard for the scientific peer-review process and the rules of Wikipedia when it concerns an issue which upsets you to a great enough extent.
For the above-detailed reasons I'm reverting your deletion, and I request that you refrain from vandalizing the template henceforth.--74.4.219.197 (talk) 15:49, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
Jesus Christ you write alot. Ok, fine, let's lump together string theory, m-theory, and the God-resurrection omega point theory. And as someone who actually does science, yea I can tell you that particularly in theoretical physics, peer-review is a joke. Take care! xoxo General Epitaph (talk) 02:44, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
String theory and M-theory violate the known laws of physics and have never had even the slightest experimental support. Whereas the only way to avoid the Omega Point quantum gravity TOE is to violate the known laws of physics (i.e., the second law of thermodynamics, general relativity, quantum mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics), and hence requires rejecting empirical science.--74.4.219.197 (talk) 03:23, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the short reply, I could read it this time. I see why I was wrong, Professor Frank J. Tipler's peer-reviewed theory about resurrection is unavoidable. I guess there's nothing left to argue about. You win. <3, General Epitaph (talk) 05:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Until and unless the known laws of physics have been experimentally, or otherwise, refuted, your immediate comment above is correct.--74.4.219.197 (talk) 01:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

  1. ^ a b c F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers," Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (April 2005), pp. 897-964. See also here. Also released as "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything," arXiv:0704.3276, April 24, 2007.
  2. ^ Richard Palmer, Publisher, "Highlights of 2005," Reports on Progress in Physics. See also "Editorial board," Reports on Progress in Physics.
  3. ^ "Journal Citation Reports (JCR) Year 2006—Science Edition," September, 2007.
  4. ^ Frank J. Tipler, "Cosmological Limits on Computation," International Journal of Theoretical Physics, Vol. 25, No. 6 (June 1986), pp. 617-661. (First paper on the Omega Point Theory.)
  5. ^ Frank J. Tipler, "Achieved spacetime infinity," Nature, Vol. 325, No. 6101 (January 15, 1987), pp. 201-202.
  6. ^ Frank J. Tipler, "The ultimate fate of life in universes which undergo inflation," Physics Letters B, Vol. 286, Issues 1-2 (July 23, 1992), pp. 36-43.
  7. ^ Frank J. Tipler, "The Ultimate Future of the Universe, Black Hole Event Horizon Topologies, Holography, and the Value of the Cosmological Constant," arXiv:astro-ph/0104011, April 1, 2001. Published in Relativistic Astrophysics: 20th Texas Symposium, Austin, TX, 10-15 December 2000, edited by J. Craig Wheeler and Hugo Martel (Melville, N.Y.: American Institute of Physics, 2001), ISBN 0735400261; and in AIP Conference Proceedings, Vol. 586 (October 15, 2001), pp. 769-772.
  8. ^ Frank J. Tipler, "Intelligent life in cosmology," International Journal of Astrobiology, Vol. 2, Issue 2 (April 2003), pp. 141-148; also available here. See also here and here. Also at arXiv:0704.0058, March 31, 2007.
  9. ^ a b Frank J. Tipler, Jessica Graber, Matthew McGinley, Joshua Nichols-Barrer and Christopher Staecker, "Closed Universes With Black Holes But No Event Horizons As a Solution to the Black Hole Information Problem," arXiv:gr-qc/0003082, March 20, 2000. Published in Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society, Vol. 379, Issue 2 (August 2007), pp. 629-640.