Talk:Therion (band)

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  • Influences of the band.
  • Recent live classic shows.
  • More references other than the official website.
  • Reception of albums.
  • Reception of death metal era.
  • Gothic Kabbalah: more informations about album.
  • See GA recommendation for further suggestions.
Good article Therion (band) was a nominee for good article, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

I have plans to update this page fully shortly, so if it looks incomplete or untidy over the next few days, please be paitent while I complete the detailed history of this band - thanks (10/6/05)

Removed "Atlantis Lucid Dreaming" from the Discography section, seeing as how there is no such album. There has been information regarding this phantom album floating around, but it does not exist. - Ocarina (21 August 2005)

That's not true. Atlantis Lucid Dreaming is released by Nuclear Blast (CAT# NB1498) and you can find some informations about this album at the Therion's official website [1] and at the official store [2] Visor 15:31, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I have a copy of Atlantis Lucid Dreaming sitting here in front of me right now. It most certainly does exist. dystopianray 09:37, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The "History" section is very long, someone with more familiarity with the band than I should break it into multiple sections. An example of this can be found at the article for the Beastie Boys.--ByrnedHead 23:33, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Seeing that Lemuria and Sirius B are two albums, not three, how come they're called a trilogy? -- 2006-03-23

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[edit] 1 or 3?

Resolved.

On another wikipedia article (Dragon Rouge, I think), it said all the band members were members of the organization. This article implies only one is. Could someone with more knowledge clear this up?

"The metal band Therion, popular in their field, and Dragon Rouge members, is particularly notable"

Liastnir 23:56, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Therion and DR and mr Eriksson

Previous member Tommie (Tommy) Eriksson, whom I added to the past members links since he was strangely missing, was and is a member of Dragon Rouge. At the present, it is however rather likely that Christofer is the sole member of this order in Therion. You might want to add Kim Blomqvist who played bass on tours between 1998-1999, tall guy with long blond hair on the pics from megatherion.com (for verification).

[edit] Martina Aster

Resolved.

Wasn't Martina Aster in Therion once? She isn't mentioned under former members, but I read that she was in the band at once time. Can someone with more knowledge look into this? Asarelah 01:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Martina Hornbacher Aster was a guest musician on Vovin tour and she sang on "Seawinds" (Crowning of Atlantis). Visor 21:32, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Little beast?

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User:Brian G. Crawford made a correction to this article on March 18, stating that “Therion is a diminutive, and it means "wee beasty." Seriously.” No further substantiation was provided. A search on Google has revealed a few places where the word “therion” is indeed described as a diminutive of “ther”. But the fact that this is mentioned in so few sources, combined with the fact that I have never heard of such a translation before, makes me somewhat uncertain about this. Could someone with a knowledge of Greek confirm or refute this? --qvvx 00:28, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah, User:67.68.14.130 has edited the phrase back to “simply beast”. Well, I hope this is right. --qvvx 20:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
See the LSJ page Njál 13:49, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Anders Engberg

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I removed the links to Anders Engberg. I can't imagine that this is the same Anders Engberg as Lotta Engbergs former husband. Correct me if I'm wrong. Therion is a metal band, and one thing I know is that Lotta Engberg is definately NOT metal (Lotta Engberg is called "dansband" in Swedish).

User:Johan1982

[edit] GA recommendation

I'm not going to fail the article or anything, but i'd like to raise a concern. As is the case with many band articles I find, this one goes way overboard in the background. While it is certainly broad, its definently too broad, if you have to make that many sections separated by year, I think that's a good sign you've gone into too much detail. Try to think of it like this, you're supposed to be writing an encyclopedic article on this band. Would all of the information in this article be included in a good looking encyclopedia? Someone familiar with the article may just want to start cutting large chunks out of stuff that isn't very important, I notice many times large gaps in wikilink coverage are a sure sign someone's gone off on an over-broad speal. Homestarmy 22:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

If someone takes the above person's advice, any info they cut would be beneficial in the album's respective article. LuciferMorgan 21:52, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, the article needs a lot more inline citations. There should be a few online webzine interviews with Christofer that could be used. LuciferMorgan 21:54, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
With these comments in mind, I'm failing this for now. Editors need to decide what information is going to stay where, clean up the cites, and get better referencing. The images worry me a bit as well, so I suggest looking into that. My suggestion, however, is to not eliminate information, but move it around. If some of it can better be told in the album article, put it there. Otherwise, keep it in here. Background information is never bad, but make sure it's relevant. --badlydrawnjeff talk 15:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Where to is Richard Evensand's appointment and dismissal mentioned in the article? LuciferMorgan 05:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The current photograph

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It's...terrible...no offense to anyone but there's no way we can keep that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.238.170.154 (talk) 15:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC).

No offense taken. And sorry, the image will stay until another free image is found. -- ReyBrujo 03:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I kinda agree, we need a new photo. "International rock star - gravy maker extraordinaire." (Ozzy) 00:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

{{sofixit}} :-) -- ReyBrujo 03:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Bells of Doom.jpg

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[edit] Requested move

Unconvinced that the proposed move to Therion, dispacing the disambiguation page currently there, is justified. How notable is this band? More so than the constellation Lupus, or the beast in Revelation? Andrewa (talk) 05:24, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

It is a pretty notable band. However, I once read that locations should always have a higher precedence when removing disambiguations, that would mean it should redirect to the constellation. But I am not confident that name is still used for the constellation. I am neutral in this matter. -- ReyBrujo (talk) 05:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps it's safer to leave the disambig where it is. Andrewa (talk) 06:18, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. Too many alternative uses. Cross porpoises (talk) 22:21, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm closing this one as a no consensus, per the above discussion. -GTBacchus(talk) 01:33, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tribute band?

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described as "the most adventurous metal band at present"

So how do i add it to WP's list of Spinal Tap tribute bands?
--Jerzy "Certainly the ... longwindedest editor" Jerzinski•t 17:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)