Talk:TheocracyWatch

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on May 25, 2006. The result of the discussion was speedy keep. An archived record of this discussion can be found here.

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[edit] Sources

I added another source. If it is acceptable, we can take off the primary source tag. I'm going to look for more. FloNight talk 03:05, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Examining relationship with Cornell

From The Cornell Chronicle March 25, 2004. [1]

  • The religious right and its effect on policy making is the focus of a six-day communitywide symposium titled "Church and State: The Radical Religious Right in U.S. Government," March 31 through April 5. The program includes free public lectures, panel discussions, films and a play, to be held on the Cornell and Ithaca College campuses, Tompkins County Public Library and elsewhere. The symposium is being coordinated through the Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy (CRESP) at Cornell, Cornell United Religious Work and TheocracyWatch, a project of CRESP.
  • The symposium is co-sponsored by: Cornell Cinema, Planned Parenthood of Tompkins County, the Ithaca College Interfaith Community, the Common Ground, and eight departments and offices at Cornell.
  • guest speakers include: Gary Simson, Cornell Law School associate dean for academic affairs and professor of law; Steve Schiffrin, Cornell professor of law; Rob Boston, director of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State; Larry Moore, H.A. Newman Professor of American Studies-History and American Studies Program director at Cornell; Isaac Kramnick, Cornell vice provost for undergraduate education and professor of government; Gary Buseck, Lambda Legal Defense director; Ellis Hanson, associate professor of English, Cornell; Lisa Maurer, Ithaca College Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgendered Education, Outreach and Services; Anna Marie Smith, Cornell associate professor of government

Look it over and see what you think. FloNight talk 14:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed text for discussion

Conservative opponents have claimed founder Bokaer has maintained a close and friendly relationship with allegedly pro-Communist activists such as Chip Berlet,an individual whose work is listed as suggested reading on the Young Communist League's website[1], who spoke along with Bokaer at the 2005 “Examining the Real Agenda of the Religious Far Right” conference held at the City University of New York.[2]

The above text has a strong pov slant. The wording needs to be changed. --FloNight talk 22:35, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] TheocracyWatch's disputed neutrality

Here's the whole section, which raises the issue of WP:NPOV#undue weight which will need to be resolved FeloniousMonk 00:23, 4 August 2006 (UTC):

The organization has drawn criticism from its enemies for allegedly inventing conspiracies against its enemies in an effort to tarnish their image. They assert TheocracyWatch relies more upon innuendo and fear than hard facts.

"One can’t help from wondering: what’s the actual basis for the need to fear this supposed threat – especially since its “advocates” (Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, etc.) have explicitly committed themselves to religious pluralism, which necessarily brings with it opposition to Dominionism itself? (Dominionism would not allow any faith that denies God the Father to practice openly.) Opening the conference, Joan Bokaer, founder of TheocracyWatch.org, warned that prominent “Dominionists” or “Christian Reconstructionists” – interchangable terms – will lie in public forums (the scoundrels!), professing an innocent Republican agenda. That is to say that while Republican senators Bill Frist and Rick Santorum may vaguely be part of the supposed conspiracy to make the U.S. into an exclusively Christian country and to implement Old Testament law, there’s no way of proving it."[3]

Conservative opponents have claimed founder Bokaer has maintained a close and friendly relationship with allegedly pro-Communist activists such as Chip Berlet,an individual whose work is listed as suggested reading on the Young Communist League's website[2], who spoke along with Bokaer at the 2005 “Examining the Real Agenda of the Religious Far Right” conference held at the City University of New York.[4]

Can't stand the heat Felonius, it's only fair. You want to accuse Paul Weyrich of being a Dominionist/Theocrat. Then it's only fair to bring out Joan Bokaer's friends with Communist sympathizers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.45.161.241 (talk • contribs)

By your logic, if a Nazi group puts The National Review on its suggested reading list, I can call Bill Buckley a Nazi sympathizer. Absurd. Utterly absurd. FCYTravis 22:24, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
It's tongue-in-cheek. Lighten up.--68.45.161.241 16:30, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dominionism section

What seemed to me a common-sense housekeeping edit was just reverted by FeloniousMonk. This content has been forked to its own page, List of people and organizations associated with Dominionism, and it seems unnecessary to duplicate it here. Furthermore, it seems that this article should contain information that is primarily about TheocracyWatch, while the content in question focuses on the wider issue of Dominionism. What is the objection to removing redundant material and refocusing this page on TheocracyWatch itself? --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 06:42, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Per the Dominionism template AfD, these lists need to be watched for BLP problems as well. Including living persons in these lists requires some serious sourcing and single sourcing back to a student group isn't going to cut it. Kyaa the Catlord (talk) 06:55, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Kyaa's reasons are completely unrelated to mine, but they indirectly add support to my reasoning, I think. Since this material is subject to controversy, it makes that much more sense to confine it to one page only. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 17:38, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
As well as misplaced since the source is merely primary source of what TW itself says, not presented as a secondary source to support definitive conclusion or fact at any individuals bio. Kyaa needs to read WP:PSTS again.
I restored the list because it is central to TheocractWatch's central claim, and the list you refer to is neither complete nor definitive. FeloniousMonk (talk) 04:47, 18 December 2007 (UTC)