Talk:Thebroken

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[edit] AfD results

This article was nominated for deletion. The result was keep. For details, please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thebroken.  BD2412 talk 23:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Article blanking

This article was just blanked and replaced with a redirect to Kevin Rose, without any discussion on the talk page, and the justification that "all the information in this article can be found at Kevin Rose" which I believe is false. Furthermore this article survived AfD before, with a weak consensus to keep, and no consensus to redirect. Plus, redirecting to Kevin Rose makes no sense; if it was decided to be changed to a redirect it would best be pointed at Revision 3 Studios. Please don't try to blank this page again without discussing it here first. --TexasDex 22:23, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Oops. This section was created in between when I opened the page and when I clicked edit... sorry. I have already redirected the page, keep on AfD doesn't mean "keep locked forever in place", it simply means "don't delete article and its history from public view". A redirect is a normal edit, and at least two people think it's the correct one. - brenneman(t)(c) 22:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I have several issues with this and your argument:
  • Blanking a page, even if it is replaced by a redirect, is not a "normal edit" because it is barely a step away from deleting the article from public view. Just because the history is a few clicks away for those who know where to look doesn't mean people will look, to anybody who is less fimiliar with Wikipedia it's just plain gone.
  • If we do have this article and have sufficient material for it, and it isn't worh deleting, then there is no justification for removing that and pointing the redirect to a page with almost no information on the subject.
  • While surviving AfD doesn't make it immune to future changes and controversey (see GNAA), at least six people think that this article, presumably in it's full non-redirect form, is worth keeping.
  • Kevin Rose just mentions thebroken, it certainly doesn't have "all notable information about this subject" like the edit history stated. Revision 3 Studios has more complete info than Kevin Rose.
I don't think redirecting this article is justified, it would do absolutely no harm to leave this article as it was, and I think it's useful to have it. Since I seem to be outranked by a couple of deletionists I'm not going to get into a revert war, but I suggest you leave this article like it was. What did it ever do to you? --TexasDex 07:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok, ok... I did note that when I re-redirected, the talk page was blank, and that the first entry in this section was made between my opening of the page and my editting it. Thus as far as I saw what looked like a sensible edit had been reverted without discussion. I am sorry, as I said before, that this gave the appearance of an agressive edit.
I would, however, discourage the use of the term deletionist as one of disparagement. It is at the very least uncivil and tantamount to a personal attack. There isn't any reason we can't be nice while working this out.
Oh, and I've removed the redirect while we talk.
brenneman(t)(c) 10:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, and I'm sorry if I gave offense. The thing is, I still don't see any particular justification to removing this article. Is it some effort to consolidate pages? I havn't heard of anything like that. Or is it just that you feel the article isn't notable enough? That was the reason it was put on AfD last October. I personally don't think so, since I saw the show featured on Slashdot and wrote a good part of this article, but I would be ok with me if it was the result of an AfD or a talk page discussion beforehand. As far as a compromise is concerned I'd be ok with copying the contents of this article into the thebroken section in Revision 3 Studios, which as I mentioned before has info on it. I would be ok with this; not overjoyed since I do think having this as a full article is best, but I'm putting a merge tag on the front of this to invite more discussion. --TexasDex 13:46, 6 February 2006 (UTC)