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Contents 1 link 2 Afrocentric bias not needed 3 Theba of Egypt and Theba of Boeotia 4 Population figures 5 Antiquity of Thebes

[edit] link

I didn't see a link to Pharoah on either the Memphis page or this Thebes page. Would it be sensible for one or both of them to so link ?

[edit] Afrocentric bias not needed

The complete body of the text on Thebes has been replaced for the second time with an article that is rife with Afrocentric bias. Moreover, it is, quite frankly, poorly written, and it is not properly formatted for use with Wiki. To the anonymous individual at 24.209.250.134 who is posts this material, please read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view article and the relevent pages on formatting.

I am therefore changing the article back to what it was before the Afrocentric version was inserted. I would, however, like to invite 24.209.250.134 to contribute all s/he wants, but ask that a NPOV be maintained. We can then avoid an edit war. --Nefertum17 08:55, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Which bias would you prefer? Rktect 10:34, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Theba of Egypt and Theba of Boeotia

Why Greeks named the city "Niwt-rst" or "Waset", capital of Southern Kingdom, as "Thebae", which is the name of Boeotian city?

What was the relation between two Thebas?

--IonnKorr 20:40, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

'The name Thebes is often mistakenly thought to derive from the name of the Greek town called'

Um -- if it's 'mistakenly', well then a number of hugely respected Egyptologists (both alive and dead) are mistaken. Barry Kemp explicitly discusses the Greek Thebes/Egypt Thebes relationship.--Pwaryuex 04:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

It was a "mistake" by the ancient Greeks, I suppose is meant here. But wasn´t it Herodotus who wrote about Thebes with one hundred gates, I hardly recall this from the Illiad by Homer? --JFK 12:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population figures

It is difficult and sometimes even impossible to rank the world´s top five largest cities in ancient times. The Chandler list [1] is based on some very general assumptions. --JFK 12:37, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I changed the 1980 to 1780, which I believe to be a typo.

It is believed that Thebes was the largest city in the world from 1780 BC to 1770 BC and from 1400 to 668 BC.^[1]

Removed until verified. --JFK 11:41, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antiquity of Thebes

Ancient Egyptian Waset was called Thebes by the Greeks, ^[2] T3 ipet was the Luxor temple. Djeme (Medinet Habu) sounded similar to that of the Greeks Boetian city. Local rulers were expansionist in the first and second intermediate periods when the Mycenean Greek emporia in the delta were beginning to do to Egypt what Western inroads in Shanghai did to China in the 18th century. Monuments earlier than the old kingdom are scarce and Thebes appears to be closely linked to the rise of the mummification industry at Karnak in the Eleventh dynasty of Egypt and the Twelfth dynasty of Egypt Red Sea trade which supplied it with GoldBitumen, Naptha, Natron, Frankincense, Myrrh, and carved stone amulets. In the Seventeenth dynasty of Egypt the carving of tombs into the rock of the Valley of Kings increased Thebes stature and allows the kings of Thebes to drive the Hyksos out. In the Eighteenth dynasty of Egypt the attention shifts to the wars against Kadesh and Syria. The disruption of the Amarna letters with the Habiru bandits moving northwest from Elat into Canaan, and the raids and piracy of the Sea People as described by Wen Amon forcing stronger border defenses. In the Nineteenth dynasty of Egypt Rameses Meri Amun named the horses of his war chariot "Victory of Thebes" but a good deal of his time was spent campaigning in the north and the affairs of Thebes are left to the temple administrators of Amun. During the third intermediate period Thebes formed a counterbalance to the influence of the 21st and 22nd Dynasty Libyan kings who ruled from Tanis in the delta. As the original Montu, the bull of Thebes developed into a a triad dedicated to Amon, Mut and Khons, Thebes (T3-ipet), plus Luxor (Ipet-resyt), and Karnak (Ipet-isut) formed a temple complex that with Deir-el bahr stretched an itrw or river journey, 1/10 of a geographical degree along the Nile.

Rktect 11:37, 6 September 2007 (UTC)