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Contents 1 An unsigned comment 2 Removed reference to Big Stoop 3 When did Yellow Kid move? 4 It Cannot be discussed if Hogan's Alley is a comic or a strip because it's a comic strip 5 Reference to origin of "yellow journalism" ambiguous 6 Word balloons 7 the yellow kid in runaways 8 Alfred E. Neuman

[edit] An unsigned comment

Well, I guess it could be argued both whether this cartoon actually was a "comic", and whether it actually was a "strip". -- Or a "comic strip"? Or a "cartoon comic strip"?

YK now and then used a strip format. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:20, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed reference to Big Stoop

I removed the following sentence: "In the 1940s, Milton Caniff's comic strip Terry and the Pirates featured a recurring character named Big Stoop who was drawn as a caricature of Outcault's Yellow Kid. " I had never heard of this. My one reference book does not mention this. And the only references in Google are to . . . Wikipedia. Thanks, BayBoy 03:00, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] When did Yellow Kid move?

The article said that Yellow Kid moved in 1897. However, another source said that the strip entitled The Yellow Kid was first published on the New York Journal in 1896. Which is truth? --Kasuga 14:22, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

1896. Gwen Gale (talk) 05:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] It Cannot be discussed if Hogan's Alley is a comic or a strip because it's a comic strip

The Yellow King of Comics I changed "one of the first comic strips" into "the first comic strip". We all can discuss the hell out of this but most literature mentions Hogan's Alley as 'often considered as the first comic strip'. signed, master-of-comicstrips

Then, let's havee it "often considered"... 惑乱 分からん * \)/ (\ (< \) (2 /) /)/ * 12:13, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

It's a comic strip, one of the very first, but likely not the very first. Editors may wish to have the article delve into the conflicting sources which would be ok by me but given the sources, I don't think there is support for simply saying it was the first one. Same for the word balloons, YK can be cited as an early and important example but they were used in political cartoons long before this which is to say, they weren't an innovation by the time they showed up in this strip. Gwen Gale 09:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reference to origin of "yellow journalism" ambiguous

"The sensationalistic journalism practiced by these two "yellow papers" led to the term yellow journalism."

But this only implies (if at that) that these papers were referred to as "yellow papers" because they carried the Yellow Kid. If this is true, then it should be explicitly mentioned IMO; if it is not true, then the reference should be removed in its entirety.

212.99.207.136 13:12, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I've tried to clean this up. There is more than one origin for the term "yellow journalism." For example, bright yellow was an easy colour to reproduce with the new 4 colour printing processes of the time and the more sensationalistic papers made much use of it. When I run across a source on this I'll add it. Also, yellow was apparently a popular colour during the 1890s (that's sourced and mentioned in the article now). Gwen Gale 09:52, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

I've subsequently found strong support that yellow journalism is a simple contraction of yellow kid journalism. Any technical reasons for the choice of yellow seem to have zero support in the more reliable and thoroughly footnoted sources I've seen (and yellow ink was one of the three colours used in four colour process printing). Gwen Gale 10:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Word balloons

The Yellow Kid wasn't the first to use them. Word balloons can be found in political cartoons from the 18th century.[1] Gwen Gale 08:09, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] the yellow kid in runaways

the yellow kid appeared in the runaways comic book.... but i cannot find the number of the comic - unsigned 05:07, 11 December 2007 User:189.178.46.225

[edit] Alfred E. Neuman

If Neuman was not influenced by YK then why did someone else put his name under the See Also section? Poppyzbrite (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Because there is a resemblence and the characters do seem to date from the same era. However this bare listing, which is outside of the article text, makes no assertion at all as to the characters' relationship and hence is wholly different from the unsourced assertion you added to the article. I do think there likely is a relationship but my opinion amounts to original research and I may be wrong. Without a source to support this assertion, I can't see how adding it to the article could be helpful. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2008 (UTC)