Talk:The World Is Not Enough

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[edit] Elektra

I object to the line:

"until Elektra reveals her true colours as the villainess, making her the first main villainess in the film series; KGB Colonel Rosa Klebb of From Russia with Love works for Ernst Stavro Blofeld, so she is not that adventure's main villain."

First off, Rosa Klebb, while technically working for Ernst Stavro Blofeld, is in actuality, working for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.. and this should be noted instead of Blofeld. Second, by this logic, Emilio Largo was NOT the main villain in Thunderball, Dr. No was not the main villain of Dr. No etc etc etc since they technically worked for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.. Third, I don't see how Elektra was any more of a "main villain" than Klebb. This entire statement, IMO should be removed or reworded to exclude the part of her being "the first". K1Bond007 01:44, Jan 2, 2005 (UTC)

It's all a matter of what is shown on screen, IMO. Blofeld is SPECTRE, as established by Fleming's canon. So therefore you are correct: Dr. No, Klebb, and Largo should be considered minions not main villains, since From Russia with Love clearly refers to Dr. No as an operative of SPECTRE, and Largo defers to Blofeld, who asserts his authority by executing one of Largo's fellow SPECTRE operatives. Elektra, OTOH, is clearly working either on her own or in cahoots with Renard (under the co-villain theory we talked about). She answers to no one at a higher level of authority. But the idea of Bond squaring off against a minion, not a "main villain" is nothing new in Fleming's books. Le Chiffre and Mr. Big are underlings for SMERSH, for example, not main villains, and I've personally never considered them as such. However Fleming never really gave SMERSH a focal point, so it's harder to look beyond those characters at a big Moriarty-type baddie pulling the strings, unlike SPECTRE whose focus was always Blofeld, even if he wasn't a direct participant. All this said, a case could be made that Klebb wasn't a main villain even with Blofeld eliminated because it was Kronsteen who came up with the plan. IMO Klebb was as much a minion of a bigger villain as Oddjob or, for that matter, Red Grant. Cheers! 23skidoo 04:01, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Well I think it's ridiculous to count out Largo and etc as not being the main villains of the films/novels because they worked for someone. I don't think it really matters who hatches the plan or whatever. They were the ones that carried it out, they were the ones that had the focus of the main villain role. I can obviously see Elektra as a main villain (along with Renard), but not so much as the first female. The sentence should be reworded or removed. Another option is moving it to villains page where a section can be devoted to female villains and henchwomen as well as this arguement. It does little here especially in the plot summary section. K1Bond007 05:46, Jan 2, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Book order

In the recent change to the book infobox, the chronology was changed. Live at Five should come first because it was published the very week TWINE was released, while Doubleshot was published the next year. K1Bond mentioned something about consistency so I didn't want to revert it myself in case maybe here's an infobox rule that says novels must be listed first? 23skidoo 15:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Theres no rule, but theres no reason why we should even list the short stories in the order they were published anyway. We don't do it for Fleming only because his are collected. We probably shouldn't even list the short stories anyway. It doesn't make any sense. If you're going from article to article by the way it was intended then Live at Five etc are all dead ends. So as kind of a compromise we included them as extra on the infobox - that's why they're even listed in the first place. K1Bond007 17:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
They're not really dead ends. Unless something was changed, each segment of the "Uncollected short stories" article should still say where the stories fall in the publishing order, so if someone is going from story to story, they should be able to move from here to Live at Five and on to Doubleshot. I've actually been considering changing the Flemings so that the individual FYEO and Octopussy stories are listed separately in their publication order which is how "The Bond Files" and other sources handle them. I've refrained from doing this because Fleming's two collections are treated as novels by IFP and are better known than the individual stories. It gets complicated with Benson because he never got a chance to do a compilation. 23skidoo 22:34, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bond girl rumor

I think it's notable to mention the "surviving Bond girl" rumor as I remember seeing it in several noted entertainment columns, I believe Liz Braun being one of them. I didn't know the Gayson's daughter one was false -- what's the source on that one not being true? 23skidoo 20:49, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I looked up the bit about Gayson's daughter. According to most sources I've seen, she was in GoldenEye, only (from what I found) obvious copies of Wikipedia claim TWINE. I don't think the rumor needs to be mentioned. It was false and obviously if we allowed this then God knows what we'd have to allow for Casino Royale (2006) - and you know how bad that would be. It would be one thing if it was validated by EON or if the rumor had more of an impact on the film, but it didn't. K1Bond007 21:10, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw the fix regarding GE/TWINE you made earlier -- that might have been a brain fart on my part. Good catch. As far as the other goes, I think it's interesting and it was printed (as opposed to it being NetRumor). A very similar situation involved Die Another Day. I remember watching the evening news (one of the Spokane Washington stations we get on cable here in Calgary) and the entertainment reporter did in fact do a story on the fact Sean Connery had filmed a cameo as Bond's father in Die Another Day. EON later denied this, and of course it would have been a major continuity issue if it had been included anyway. But I think it's still interesting from a trivia perspective. Same goes for the newspaper and TV reports that Angelina Jolie/Thandie Newton/fill-in-the-blank had been signed for Vesper which turned out to be total hogwash. I agree we have to draw the line so we should stick to reports that have actually appeared on TV and newspaper, as opposed to NetRumor and the like. 23skidoo 01:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling question

Shouldn't the proper spelling of this article title be The World is Not Enough with a lowercase "is"? 23skidoo 16:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

It's capitalized. K1Bond007 02:12, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] critical reception

can we have a bit saying how critics received the film, spanks!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.41 (talk • contribs) .

[edit] Do not split the article

I oppose splitting the article into separate film and novel articles. I fail to see how this would benefit Wikipedia, plus the resulting article would be simply a stub unless you want to simply repeat the plot summary given here. 23skidoo 13:05, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It'd be a strenuous and, dare I say it, rather fruitless exercise which could spawn dozens more stubs. - NP Chilla 22:07, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dubbing

The guard that Bond first meets on arriving at Christmas Jones' camp - the one that shortly after says "The bomb doesn't leave" etc before getting shot by Renard - has been quite obviously, audibly and intrusively dubbed by Robbie Coltrane. What's the story there?? Worth adding to the trivia section? --Cardinal Wurzel 22:25, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas comes more than once a year

"After Renard left the missile base in ruins and with a nuclear warhead in tow, Jones joined forces with Bond to stop Renard. Once their mission was completed, the pair spend Christmas in Turkey where Bond found out that Christmas comes more than once a year."

I have not seen the movie recently, so I can't judge these sentences, but to me the "where Bond found out that Christmas comes more than once a year" sounds suspect (sexual innuendo?) unless it's something that's actually happened in the film. Please comment. Even if not an inapropiate addition, it could possibly be made more clear, or written in more encyclopedic language by someone familiar with the film. --62.194.15.60 00:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

It is a direct quote from the movie - the last line is bond telling Dr. Jones he always thought Christmas comes only once a year. 80.178.42.173 10:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
62.194.15.60, yes it is in the movie. No :80.178.42.173 it is no longer in the article and should not be put back in. It is just a joke and is sexual innuendo. Why aren't you arguing for ever other minor joke to be included? I suspect because this one gives you some special enjoyment. That's not a reason for inclusion. Mark83 11:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I do not argue for this joke. In fact, it sounds to me like it was taken from a porno movie. (And is not appropriate for an encyclopedia) 80.178.76.11 12:31, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

I enjoyed reading this article and it is close to meeting the GA criteria. However, more citations need to be added to the Filming section and first paragraph of the Music section, to support what is being said.

Y Done Vikrant 10:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm putting this article on hold as the article is close to GA status, however the issue noted above must be dealt with before GA status can be awarded. I hope that this can be addressed within the seven days allowed by on hold, and wish you all the best with your editing... -- Johnfos (talk) 07:39, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Furthermore

  • The intromost sentence, The World Is Not Enough, released in 1999, is the nineteenth spy film of the British James Bond series and the third to star Pierce Brosnan as the fictional MI6 agent James Bond., kinda pauses when it is being read. Remove commas and reword.
    • Y Done Vikrant 10:12, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Lines in the reception section have no direct inline citations. Like this: He also gave praise to Denise Richards' performance as Christmas Jones, saying she was "top notch." It must bear a citation since this part is somewhat critical.
    • N The source is after the next sentence. Vikrant 10:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Parts of adaptation is unsourced or no direct citation.
    • N The adaptations are direct sources. There is nothing else. Vikrant 10:18, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
  • The DVD releases has only one citation. Below it, none.
    • Y Done Vikrant 10:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Address these comments, especially the sourcing issues so that the reviewer could verify. Thank you. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 08:46, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Ok. Just make sure all contentious contents are being directly sourced. Wait for the final review of User:Johnfos or his final decision. Thank you. --BritandBeyonce (talk) 10:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Pass. Good work. Johnfos (talk) 22:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Suggested Move

Why was the novelisation given its own article but none of the others were? Since there is now a novelisation article (as well as a video game article), I propose that this article be moved to The World Is Not Enough (film) and that The World Is Not Enough Should lead to a disambiguation page listing the novel, film , and video game. This should be done for consistency's sake. All the Fleming novel are treated in this respect. Emperor001 (talk) 22:18, 14 April 2008 (UTC)