Talk:The World's most northern

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is there a point to this article??? Plough talk to me 10:52, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Pretty lousy indeed, though humourous. But I miss some of the most essential the world's most northerns, besides all these trivial ones: the world's most northern town/village/settlement for example. Caesarion 14:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

It exists already: Northernmost settlements. Orcaborealis

some of its completely wrong too. there are cold-latitude coral reefs off scotland and norway. BL kiss the lizard 00:07, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
And some of it's just stupid and obviously put in there to ensure America gets a few spots. Northernmost Denny's? Isn't that only in America anyway? Northernmost High-school American Football Team? America, obviously. Methinks some seppo got pissed at them Yuropeens beating them.--203.70.92.80 18:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Oksvågdalen

All other subjects have atleast a stub, Oksvågdalen needs some info, even if its just a breif paragraph about it.

This would complete the page until new additions are made

[edit] verify

how do u get this page off the verify list? wat needs to be verified?

[edit] Page name

Perhaps a merge with Extreme points of the world and include southernmost items as well? -- Chuq 12:16, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree. I'll try to make this possible. --Newguineafan 16:46, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Good idea, ill look into it

Bourbons3 22:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Coral reef

Removed:

*Tropical Coral Reef: Eilat, Israel

Coral reefs occur much further north (e.g. off the Scottish west coast, [1] and Norway, [2]; more info [3]), but I don't know how far north they go - MPF 17:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Northernmost I can find details of: [4]; putting this back in the article - MPF 17:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] University, Hotel, Seaport

There's a university in Longyearbyen specialising in polar studies. I don't know if there is any particular reason why it can not be regarded as a university and if not it would trump Tromso by several hundred miles.

There is (was?) a hotel in Ny-Alesund too. My memory from my tour there is shaky so I can not remember if it is still operational so I'll leave for the moment.

Ny-Alesund would presumably count as the northern most seaport, but it's little more than a plank of wood next to the sea.

Added: General store, museum, public toilet

[edit] Sex shop

I once saw an advertisement in a Finnish magazine for something claiming to be the world's most northern sex shop. If I remember correctly it was somewhere in Finnish Lapland north of Rovaniemi. I just can't remember what it is called or where it is located. JIP | Talk 12:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The worlds most northern city?

I see that Hammerfest is put up as the world's most northern city. This is, however, disputed, as Honningsvåg also claims to be the world's most northern city. The fact remains that Honningsvåg indeed does have an official status as a city, and that Honningsvåg also is further north than Hammerfest. Some argue that Honningsvåg has fewer citizens than needed for a city status, pointing to a 1997 Norwegian law that states that 5.000 citizens or more is needed for city status. However, Honningsvåg were declared a city in 1996, and the Norwegian constitution clearly states that no law can be given reversible power.

So, if we follow the Norwegian law requirements for city status, Honningsvåg is indeed the world's most northern city. As such, Honningsvåg should also be listed as the world’s most northern city at the Wikipedia. [1]

Gunnerm 12:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

If you say so, you seem to know about it. Then why don't you edit this. I see in Honningsvåg they were declared a city 1996. Earlier on I have heard that Hammerfest is the northernmost city, maybe they don't accept losing ths title. On http://www.hammerfest-turist.no they write "northernmost town"("nordligste by" in Norwegian). That must be wrong since in US English (they lead the development of the language) town means also a rather small place doesn't it? Here we declare Longyearbyen as northernmost town. [5] My experice is that tourist progaganda can contain incorrect info. Honningsvåg also call themselves "by"(city"). So go ahead. /BIL 12:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I have now changed it, but instead of Honningsvåg, I've put in Barrow, Alaska as the northernmost city. I've also cheked out about Honningsvåg vs. Hammerfest, and Honningsvåg is at least Norways northernmost City. So if anyone should make a discovery about Barrow not being a city, please change the northernmost city to Honningsvåg!

How can you tell if a Norwegian location is a vilage, city or town? Aren't all three called simply "by", with no difference between the three? (Stefan2 16:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC))

Why isn't Tiksi listed as the Norternmost city and city (>5000). It lies further north then both Barrow and Tromsø. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mecil (talk • contribs) 17:17, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article title

I take it you mean "The world's most northerly", right? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.104.170.167 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC).

"Northern" is acceptable here too; If the ambiguity is causing confusion (which I don't believe it is), "The world's northernmost" would be a better move. -- JHunterJ 17:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
The problem is that "most northern" doesn't actually mean "furthest north" at all (I'd like a citation to back up your point if you disagree). "Most northern" means "most like things found in the north" (and perhaps a few other things, but definitely not "furthest north"), which is not the same as "northernmost". I can't believe we're having to go through a full RM procedure for what is essentially a grammar fix. 81.104.170.167 17:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose: This grammar-fiddling is a fix in our anon's imagination (or possibly this is BE dialecticalism again) See, for example, this site calling Alaska the nation's "most northern, western, and eastern State." Septentrionalis 20:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes, because a site offering stock photographs is an authoritative source on the meaning of the word "northern" ... 81.104.170.167 21:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Oppose - As correctly guessed above, 1) this is a UK/US difference or actually only preference and 2) both "the northernmost" and "the most northern" are perfectly acceptable in UK English too. It is nonsense to claim that "Most northern" means "most like things found in the north" (and perhaps a few other things, but definitely not "furthest north"). Any UK dictionary would have shown the anonymous British amateur linguist that "northern" means "in or from the north" so "most northern" means "most in the north".

Lots of time is wasted on Wikipedia by unnecessary proposals and discussions that could be easily avoided by a short look into at least one UK and US dictionary or grammar. At the very least, one should do some Google searches before claiming that someone else's English is incorrect. Google results can only be used to prove that something is better if one takes a close look at the individual links because Google frequencies are often misleading, but they can be used to disprove the typical claims made by amateur "linguists" on WP that something doesn't exist or is incorrect just because it doesn't exist in the dialect of the amateur.

10,600 hits for "the most southern" site:uk

37,000 hits for "the most southerly" site:uk

915 hits for "the most southerly" site:edu

12,900 for "the most southern" site:edu

--Espoo 17:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


As there seems to be no consensus for the requested move after more than 5 days, I'm removing the listing from WP:RM. Cheers. -GTBacchus(talk) 22:56, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The world's most northern elevator

Where is the world's most northern elevator? --84.61.0.151 11:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

It seems that both Hotel Rica Spitsbergen Funken and Hotel Radisson SAS Polar Spitsbergen in Longyearbyen have elevators [6]. Of course there can be something furter north. --BIL 18:49, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The world's most northern escalator

Where is the world's most northern escalator? --84.61.46.81 14:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

You could find out the phone number of one of the hotels mentioned above or the tourist info (if it is open) in Longyearbyen and ask. Write the answer here. Think about the time difference. BIL 17:29, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Accuracy / discrepancy

I noticed that the northern most city is at 70'89" yet Barrow,_Alaska shows a more northern latitude of 71'30". Which one is right? Ruben

Whether Barrow is a city is a matter of definition; the article itself wavers. It's not an independent municipality, and it has a population of only 4000. Septentrionalis 19:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ny-Ålesund

Why doesn't Ny-Ålesund beat out Longyearbyen as the most northerly town? Nat 14:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I believe Ny-Ålesund is a community of scientist, staying for a relatively short time.Orcaborealis 22:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Palm Trees

Palm trees grow naturally in both Ireland and Britain, which are far more northern than the south coast of France... Jvlm.123 21:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Just corrected it Anorak2 10:15, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Not naturally occurring in Ireland or Britain, only planted. - MPF (talk) 01:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
Is that a criterion for acceptance to the list? What counts IMHO is that they survive outdoors through the winter. Aren't palm trees in France planted? Anorak2 (talk) 08:15, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
It must be specified, and should mostly be kept to naturally occurring plants. Some species of Palms can even survive along the southwestern coast of Norway, and planted oak trees survives quite well as far north as Narvik, sycamore maple as far north as Alta. Orcaborealis (talk) 08:47, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bias

The list shows very slight knowledge of Russia, therefore Russian things are simply ignored. I suppose we should add a {{globalize}} tag to the page. --Ghirla-трёп- 18:06, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

There are several Russian items in the list. If you know about Russian items that are most northern, you could add them in the list. BIL 23:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Mosque

According to this the northernmost mosque is NOT at Tromso but at norilsk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norilsk 82.29.70.34 02:07, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Tromsø is (slightly) more northern than Norilsk. --BIL 19:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Town/city

It says:

  • Town Longyearbyen, Svalbard, Norway 78°13′N 15°33′E
  • City Barrow, Alaska, United States 71°18'N, 156°44'W

What defines Longyearbyen as a town (and not as a city or a village)? Its official status as defined by Norwegian law is "by", which, depending on the judgement of the translator, is translated into "city", "town" or "village". In Norway there is no distinction between the three. (Stefan2 16:59, 5 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Northernmost synagogue

Is there a synagogue in Murmansk? This report from the JDC seems to suggest there isn't, and Federation of Jewish Communities of the CIS only mentions a cultural centre on its website. I'm asking because the synagogue in Fairbanks claims to be the northernmost in the world. -- Arvind 17:38, 24 September 2007 (UTC)