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1 Bias
2 Neutral site
3 Memorable games
- 3.1 "Run"
4 Logos on the article
5 Fair use rationale for Image:FLGAHallofFame.jpg
6 Fair use rationale for Image:Georgia-logo4.gif
7 Series
8 Memorable Games
9 Article Title

[edit] Bias

This page clearly has an anti-Florida bias. All of the statements are slanted as showing that Gator fans are worse, claiming to own the series and that the worst Georgia does is poke from of Florida's clothing, which is not true. That is clear bias. I'm not arguing Spurrier, because, well, you can't; he's just a dick. Also, the article clearly speaks that calling it a "neutral site" is a little wrong because of its location close to Florida, even though seats are divided 50-50. This has an anti-Florida bias Bsd987 14:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Aw come on now - this page strayed wayyyy too far into the realm of football records and other stuff only quasi-related to the WLOCP. Maybe there should be a page that speaks to the rivalry itself if there isn't already. My opinion of the WLOCP is that it should focus more on what happens outside, which is largely in response to what happens or happened inside the stadium. I restored the jeanshorts vs we own Georgia paragraph since that's what I always saw happening (other than binge drinking and great tailgates). Can you not agree that is what it's about?

That's original research and unverifiable. I'll give you a day to find me a source or to tell me a source that agrees with your sentence or else I myself will remove it. I didn't remove it originally, but I will. Find a book or website or magazine article or something. Bsd987 03:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Here you go - http://antiorange.dawgtoons.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=61&page=1

NOte that this is from the perspective of a GATOR fan.

See also: http://www.gatorswearjeanshorts.com. Thank you in advance!

Dude, you don't have to be a dick ("Thank you in advance!"). You claimed that you had seen it; that is a first-hand citation that is original research. That is why I disputed it. Bsd987 19:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Fixed.

Fixed, again.

[edit] Neutral site

Isn't this game also the only REGULAR season college game played in neutral territory? GZUS96 12:40, 12 Novemeber 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, no; off the top of my head Texas-OU (aka, the Red River Shootout) is always played in Dallas. I'm sure there are a couple of others. AUTiger ʃ ^talk/_work 01:15, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I checked it out and looks as if (aka, the Red River Shootout) has not always been played in neutral territory and it looks as if it will not be played in Dallas for too long as both clubs want it played at each others venues alternating each year between the two. Also when I looked at the dates of the games it looks as if the game each year that is refered to being (aka, the Red River Shootout) is not always a regular season game some years it has been an invitational post season game. But, none the less the Georgia-Florida game is not as I thought the only regular season game played on neutral territory. Thanks.GZUS96 23:28ct 16 Nov 2006

I'm not sure what your point is - UGA-UF has not always been played in Jacksonville either - see 1994 and 1995 - and OU-UT was last played anywhere outside Dallas in 1913. There has been talk of UF-UGA being moved back to campus too. Btw, where did you get any information about UT-OU not being played in the regular season? My understanding is the rivalry has always been a regular game since they were both charter members of the old Southwest Conference. AUTiger ʃ ^talk/_work 16:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I'd say it's one of a handful of major games played at neutral sites, but it's not the only one. A good argument could be built that Army-Navy is the most famous game played in a neutral location (Philadelphia). —C.Fred (talk) 14:14, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Memorable games

I've got some reservations about this section. Chiefly, memorable according to whom? I'll concede that "Run, Lindsay, run" is probably in sports lore and an easy addition, as is Spurrier running up the score between the hedges. But by what criteria are the other games included? I'd rather discuss before just axing the section outright, but if nobody stands up for the section and the selection of the games, I will cut it. —C.Fred (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

By and large, I created the section from articles online discussing the WLOCP game. Most articles all talk about the above games, and others. It could be fixed up and have fewer sub-sections (leaving one paragraph to each game's more notorious outcomes) with links to articles talking about how they were memorable games, I suppose. --WTStoffs 19:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the section is great. These should be games that fans of both schools tend to remember, for good or bad. I added a couple more (one victory for each, to be fair) and rewrote some of the other recaps to make them more even-handed. Did I successfully hide my hatred of all things black and red (which, by the way, burns like a million suns)? Zeng8r 16:23, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Run"

Re: recent edit undo - Tho admittedly it's not exactly what was said, "Run Lindsay Run" is what that evil, evil play and game have been called for a long time. Kinda like "Play it again, Sam", which was never actually spoken in Casablanca. If you dare, do a google search for "run lindsay run" and see what you get. I get a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach, you'll get a bunch of references to that CENSORED play. Zeng8r 20:25, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Logos on the article

The Florida and Georgia logos were recently added to the article. However, no fair-use rationale has been provided at the logos' image pages. Accordingly, per the nonfree images policy, the logos should be deleted from the article.

The anonymous editor who replaced them indicated this is general practice. I disagree. A quick scan revealed only one rivalry (Florida-Florida State rivalry) where the logos are in use, the rest use a logo specifically for the rivalry should be used (e.g. Iron Bowl) or a published work about the rivalry (e.g. Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate).

The fundamental matter is this: justified use of nonfree images is not rationalized at the images' pages (Image:Florida_Gators_logo.gif and Image:Georgia-logo4.gif). Without a fair-use rationale, the images cannot be used in the article.

I'll give 24 hours for fair use to be rationalized, either here or at the images' pages, before I personally delete the images again. I will not stand in the way of other editors deleting the images, though. (And I reserve the right to find a far more attractive presentation than the current one.) —C.Fred (talk) 12:37, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:FLGAHallofFame.jpg

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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Georgia-logo4.gif

Image:Georgia-logo4.gif is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

[edit] Series

Why does this article say Georgia leads the series Florida has dominated it? Prob some UGA that thinks 1 win every 20 years gives them series!--UFtebowharvin 00:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Ummm.. because the article is about the entire series and not just the last 20 years? Just a reminder, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a internet fan board. AUTiger » talk 01:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

No what i'm saying that florida leads the series and that the page says that georgia leads 46-37 which is wrong!--UFtebowharvin 18:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

You are mistaken or misinformed; UGA has the series lead. It's discussed in one of the listed references; or perhaps you should go review the Florida media guide. AUTiger » talk 18:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know why the old scores on here any way?--UFtebowharvin 05:50, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

All rivalry pages have previous results, check Red River Shootout.--JMay from tampa bay 06:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Memorable Games

Regarding the celebration after Georgia's first touchdown in the 2007 game, Coach Mark Richt stated in an interview on 680 The Fan that he intended only for the players on the field to draw a celebration penalty, but that his players interpreted his exhortation to mean that the entire team should celebrate. Perhaps this clarification should be added. I don't know how to make a reference to a radio broadcast, though. Paul M. Parks (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 17:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Title

Shouldn't this article be moved to the official title for the game? WLOCP is a cool name, but it is not official in any manner except that its use is officially condemned by both schools. The World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party should be a redirect, not the name of the article. I'm not very good with altering redirects and article titles, but if someone who reads this agrees and has more wikipedia editing experience than myself, please change the article.Failureofafriend (talk) 11:23, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Oppose. The one benefit of using WLOCP as the article title is that it's neutral. To choose one of the official game names would be to have some implicit bias toward one of the terms. To use both names as the article title would be cumbersome. As a result, I oppose any prospective move. —C.Fred (talk) 14:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I am a Georgia fan and I would personally see no bias in referring to the game as the "Florida-Georgia Football Classic" as that is the style of the majority of the logos seen at the game. Florida comes first in alphabetical order. Placing it first in the title is no more biased than when it is placed first in the article. What is the Wikipedia policy on using nicknames in the place of official names? When the nickname is officially condemned and not allowed to be used by media outlets with SEC contracts (ESPN and CBS)? I respect your differing opinion, and I will not change the article myself.Failureofafriend (talk) 21:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Oppose The game is referred to by this moniker every year by sports columnists and analysts--even if the SEC and both schools don't want to call the game by this. --WTStoffs (talk) 04:46, 24 January 2008 (UTC)