Talk:The Woodcraft Folk

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[edit] Scouting??

Why is the Woocraft Folk being lumped in with the Scouting movement? It is not, and never has been part of the Scouting movement and has in fact been philosophically and ideologically opposed to the Scouting movement throughout it's history. Ecadre 04:10, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I assum this is because the scouting wikiproject aims to cover articles related to scouting, and the woodcraft folk is in the Non-aligned Scouting organizations category. I think it makes sense.Ralph Sleigh 18:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

No, it makes no sense at all, the Woodcraft Folk is not a "non-aligned Scouting organisation". It is a member of the International Falcon Movement-Socialist Education International and historically had relations and exchanges with the Pioneer movements in the Socialist countries. It has always identified itself with the Co-operative and Labour movements, not the Scouting movement of which it has never been part.

It may make sense to you, but may I gently suggest that that is an opinion born out of ignorance.Ecadre 00:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

From an article point of view, the only section to mention scouting is the history, and rightly so. The scouting portal logo only means it has been tagged by the scouting wikiproject for improval.

The scouting wikiproject will examine other youth groups as well. The Hitler Youth and Young Pioneers are not part of the project because they have "veered too far from the Scout method, and/or becomes overly politicized and/or militarized". From what I can glean from the project discussion, the woodcraft folk is considered borderline as a political measure of what will be included.

If you wish to argue any of the article content do so here, if you want it reomved from the scouting project I advise you ask in their talk page.Ralph Sleigh 17:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

The Woodcraft Folk is not mentioned in the Scouting wikiproject page, and only in passing on the discussion page. Also, I've just noticed that there is a "Scouting Portal" logo and link at the bottom of the information box at the right hand side of the page.

Now, the Scouting Wikiproject people are entitled to include whatever they like as pages they would like to improve, but this link and logo is completely misleading and incorrect. At the danger of having to keep repeating myself, the Woodcraft Folk has never been part of or allied itself with the Scouting Movement. In fact it has though it's history seen itself as opposed to the Scouting Movement. It allied itself with the Labour and Co-operative Movemnents, and interationally had relations with both CIMEA (the Pioneer Movement) and the International Falcon Movement.

I always find it odd that when some people talk about the Scouting Movement they consider it as non-political, but organisations such as the Woodcraft Folk as political. If by political you mean left-wing, then the Woodcraft Folk throughout it's history fits that bill well.

I've removed the Scouting Portal link since non of the self identified Scouting organistions consider the Woodcraft Folk to be Scouts, and neither do the Woodcraft Folk, it is misleading. I've added a link to the "International Falcon Movement-Socialist Educational International" instead.Ecadre 17:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Order of Woodcraft Chivalry & Scouting

My understanding is that the Woodcraft Folk is historically an offshoot of Kibbo Kift which was in turn an offshoot of Order of Woodcraft Chivalry. This last group did have an association with scouting, but that association as explicity terminated over the isue of militarism. Ie Scouts pro, Order anti. 124.168.8.167 (talk) 06:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC) Erm, Jeremy (talk) 06:02, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 21:54, 26 November 2007 (UTC)