Talk:The Way to Happiness/Archive 1

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This one was simply redirecting to "Scientology"

This one was simply redirecting to "Scientology" which in turn had a linked here. Any criticisms or grammar/spelling improvements would be appreciated. Wikired5 18:25, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I think it would be more helpful and in keeping with NPOV if the link to the booklet was added at the end, so I have adjusted this. -- Harmonica 02:36, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Way to Happiness booklets distributed with forged endorsement

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/101207dnmetpamphlets.2cc31a1.html

The front cover features a painting of a grassy field sweeping toward the Dallas skyline with the city's official "D" symbol hovering in the foreground. ... "Presented by Office of the Mayor," it states. ... But the booklet didn't come from the mayor, and no one at the city has anything to do with it. ... "Clearly we were not very comfortable and did not think it was appropriate to use the seal of the city of Dallas, the mayor's logo or my name on something we were not aware of," Mr. Leppert said in a phone interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.6.177.176 (talk) 02:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
This looks more like a promotional sample. Where is "forged" in here? Misou 02:51, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The word forged isn't used, but it's not much of a reach: "[..] and a ringing endorsement purportedly from Mr. Leppert." From the article, it sounds more like a print run than a single sample. (In bulk, according to TWTH documents, 14 cents a copy plus 7 cents royalty to CST.) It wouldn't be the first time that someone has been overly enthusiastic in attributing special editions of TWTH booklets.[1][2] AndroidCat 06:40, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
'I am happy to be able to offer this book as a helpful guide for every member of this community," the booklet states below the mayor's picture.' Is it common practice to place quotes on promotional samples from people who did not say those quotes? -- 209.6.177.176 15:32, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Yawn. This is no newsgroups. So I grabbed the phone and called them. It's 12 samples (promotion for individual covers), they went straight to the mayor and are not for distribution, except he uses the dozen he got. They sent out thousands like that, each set different. A hell of a job I guess. Anyway, this is OR, obviously. But interesting how Kitty uses rumors to spread trash. Misou 21:38, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You're way over the line, Misou. Oh and did you ask them how many cities they've done "a box full of the booklets" in? AndroidCat 22:05, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I did. But for the number of mayors the lady didn't know, just "ten thousands" in total for the US, more abroad etc., with lots of requests for the print files coming in. I guess the next event will tell. Misou 22:15, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

1. It's not that hard to get any mayor's endorsement, and the mayor not know what he signed. Has whoever wrote this part of the article checked their facts? Have they gone in to the Dallas or San Frencisco Churches, for instance, and asked to see the document? 2. What makes unverified accusations more important than the subject itself? 3. I thought that "controversies" were usually near the end of a Wikipedia article. We don't even know what the Way to Happiness is yet. 4. Do these unverified "facts" have to take up over half the article? 98.196.117.157 12:21, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

The sources do not show "endorsements" and there are no endorsements in Dallas or San Francisco, no false ones either. The whole thing is a promotion action, no booklet was "distributed", a box of samples was sent to these mayors, nobody else. A typical POV pusher lie, this article, that's all. Some people just believe anything. Go ahead and correct this crap. Misou 17:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
If you have information from WP:RS secondary sources that refute the information from the current WP:RS secondary sources in the article, please, feel free to add them and expand the article. Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 22:22, 29 October 2007 (UTC).
Am I talking to the Monday Curt? Anyway: To start with, correct the misinterpretations of your own media articles, take out the double mention of SF etc. Can't believe that you messed up this article. And then, this is current happenings, needs appropriate tag, and should be at the beginning or bottom. Misou 23:40, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use image on Wikipedia of the pamphlets with the "bogus" use of city seals ?

  • The San Francisco Chronicle saw fit to show the pamphlets that have the unauthorized use of image of Mayor Gavin Newsom, as well as the unauthorized use of the seal of the city of San Francisco, here. Can we make a fair use claim to show the image of this unauthorized use on Wikipedia ? Curt Wilhelm VonSavage 04:12, 16 October 2007 (UTC).

Cites placement

See WP:Footnotes, also as per Chicago Manual of Style. Cirt (talk) 00:58, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

It just looks awful to have a cite in the middle of a sentence like that. I guarantee that this is something that would be dinged at a future WP:GAC or WP:FAC review. Cirt (talk) 01:06, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Would you please help me understand your reasoning?, with specific quotations and analysis. WP:Footnotes says "Some material must be referenced mid-sentence [as here, so as not to lose meaning], but footnotes are usually placed at the end of a sentence or paragraph." -- yes, a citation belongs with the text it supports, or else meaning is lost. Substance is more important than form (perhaps far more important; the goal is to communicate to the reader). I'm very open-minded to any specific words supporting your view, in any style source. To me, the appearance looks fine, and looks not materially distracting to the reader. I believe i've seen mid-text footnotes a lot (even if there is no punctuation at the footnote point), including i believe a lot in serious publications. I can't predict what GAC or FAC would prefer. So let's focus on trying to find some specific guidance in style sources. Thanks very much. Bo99 (talk) 01:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
If we just adjust the sentence to add a comma, I could live with a cite in mid-sentence, I'll show you what I mean, but feel free to revert me. Cirt (talk) 01:40, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm okay with that. I wish i had thought of that good, creative idea; thanks. It's just a tiny bit clunky, but very do-able. So this issue is resolved i think. But i do suggest you keep a watch for instances of pure-mid-text footnote placement -- it's used a lot i believe (perhaps more so in hard-core academic and professional publications than general publications), because it has to be used, to connect specific footnote ideas with specific bits of the text and thus help the reader. Bo99 (talk) 01:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
Glad you are okay with the fix. Cirt (talk) 03:08, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

"Humanitarian"

Citing Golden Era Productions to back up this info is inappropriate, as it is owned/controlled by the Church of Scientology. We need a secondary WP:RS/WP:V source please, and let's use the same conventions applied to the article L. Ron Hubbard as applied here, which is to say pulp fiction author. Cirt (talk) 00:28, 24 April 2008 (UTC)