Talk:The Venture Bros./Archive 1

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Birthdays and stuff

Here's something I posted on the adult swim boards. Do you guys think any of it is worth noting in the article?


I've concluded these dates from clues in the shows and pop culture jokes. Venture Brothers follows real-time and season 1 took place over a span of 2 years, oddly. In Careers in Science, the then current training video for Gargantua-1 is copyrighted for 1971 and Rusty was 10 years old and lived on the station at the time as his father built it. From that date, you can calculate his age, as he has mentioned in season 1 that he is 43. Also, He was a grad student when Brock was a freshmen, making him about three years older than Brock. Rusty lost his virginity at 24.

I've concluded that Dr. Venture was born in 1961. He was 43 in season 1 and is now 45. Brock was born in 1964. He's 42 currently. Past Tense takes place in 1983. Brock joined OSI in 1985 at age 21, exactly 21 years before the current episode, which takes place in real-time. Original Hank and Dean were born in 1986. They've died 14 times, and we are witnessing the 15th set. Hank and Dean were concieved 21 years ago when Rusty was 24, the moment he lost his virginity. That makes the boys roughly 20 years old if they had not died.

but because the clones have died before they could reach that age, the new clones take over and are at the age of the first two when they died, which I suppose is now 16? I believe the concept with "clone slugs" is that they aggressively develop to the desired age instead of growing from infants in natural time, although I don't believe they contain the genetic information to progress at an excellerated rate past the age of the original cloned organism. One they wake up and leave their skinless slug state, they begin to age in a normal rate.

Brock and Dr. Venture confused about their birthday? I believe they count a birthday everytime a clone is born, and this is the 15th set, making it the 16th birthday(counting the originals)..so thusly, they thought it was 15, but it's actually 16...they got confused/lost count...or just forgot to count the originals. -DDV

Wow, that is some very nice detective work. I think the 15th/16th birthday was just put in there for comedic effect and probably doesnt mean anything. Also, take note that Dr. Orpheus stated in Assassinanny 911 that "...this [year] was a leap year.", and that could throw things off. -th1rt3en 01:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it is good deduction, but it definitely seems like "Original research" and probably shouldn't be added to the article. One point I have to question, though: I'm not entirely sure that the show follows real time faithfully. Did Venture actually wait over a year after the boys' deaths to activate their latest clones? I got the vague impression that it was more like a few weeks. - DynSkeet * Talk 18:06, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Didn't Triana or Brock say it had been three months since they died (Powerless in the Face of Death}? -th1rt3en 18:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hm. Wish I still had the episode so I could watch it again. But that is still a lot longer than the real-time period between the first airings of "Spider-Skull Island" and "Powerless"... - DynSkeet * Talk
Dr. Venture says he was only gone a month, despite the fact that his hair and beard were grown to huge lengths, while Brock's hair had barely grown. When I said the show takes place over a space of 2 years, this meant throughout season 1. The two years didn't happen all at once, they were spanned out. We don't know how much time passes between episodes and such, but because the show tends to rely on current pop culture alot of times, it requires a suspension of disbelief...but the show is definately in "real time". This has been an ongoing problem in any sort of fictional media, because you have to keep the story setting up to date, while not aging the characters...DC and Marvel have both used crisis-type stories to restart or erase the previous history in order to reintroduce the key characters and plots in an updated time period. In a related concern, the newest episode features Triana Orpheus stating she's "always been afraid of the closet" in regards to it being a portal to the Necropolis. She attributes her emotional problems as well as her lack of wardrobe due to a fear of the closet. The strange thing is that Triana didn't grow up in this home, and has only been there 1-2 years being that they moved into the Venture compound in season 1 after Dr. O and his wife seperated. -DDV

King Gorilla's parody

Should we note that King Gorilla is a parody of Gorilla Grodd, a really pathetic DC Flash villain that is basically a nude talking Gorilla?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Grodd

No.12.162.189.80 18:27, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Answered Discussions/ Archiving Discussions

I believe that any discussions that have been answered. Such as: Twin Clones, Episode Summaries, Dr. Girlfriend's Voice, Trivia:Season 1 and 2, and Everybodys Free to feel good; should all be deleted. Gwag June 26, 2006

How about archiving them instead? - DynSkeet * Talk 12:54, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Well that too. Gwag 16:11 June 26, 2006

Bud Manstrong

Is it worth noting that Bud Manstrong's personality is written in homage to Psycho's Norman Bates, and that its probably insisting that Manstrong was the one who killed the past crew on "movie night"?

Depends. Did you arrive at those conclusions yourself, or do they come from something that Jackson or Doc said? 69.169.74.209 22:12, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Twin clones?

I was under the impression that Dr Venture created Hank and Dean using analog cloning, which is why one is blonde and one has brownish hair. It seems Hank may be the larger dominant clone, while Dean is the more recessive clone who's genetic traits closer match his father. Their lack of a mother says to me that they are just test tube babies and Dr Venture created them in a weird "moment of passion" while deciding he needed something to carry on his legacy. Perhaps that was his moment of passion...

Actually, it's assumed that Hank is a clone of Brock and Dean is a clone of Dr. Venture. Though, it's merely hinted at in the show and not actually confirmed. -th1rt3en 07:01, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
It's not even really hinted at in the show. It's just something that some fans came up with.
In one of the episodes Dr. Venture says something along the lines of "I should have fixed this in the prototype stage", muttered to himself when referring to Hank and Dean. Sure it's mostly fan speculation, but it's not an impossibility. -th1rt3en 17:21, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I know the line, but it doesn't really infer cloning at all, just genetic engineering. Very different.
Well, are Hank and Dean twins or just brothers? If not, which is older? I think if they were twins, they'd have to be clones, much in the same idea as the Snakes in Metal Gear Solid.
No, they wouldn't have to be clones. They can simply be fraternal twins.69.169.74.209 02:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


In one episode Dean refers to Hanks as "Big Bro". So one is obviously older than the other. Unless they were simply led to beleive that by their father. This will all be addressed in Season 2, i'm certain of it. captbananas 06:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I found an old quote. Jackson clarifies two facts: a) They are fraternal twins, and b) They are Dr. Venture's actual sons. [1] 69.169.74.209 09:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
The DVD box calls them twins, so yeah...They are his actual sons, but I still believe they were subjects of gene therapy. The constant mention of no mother probably means she was killed in the process.
Another juicy tidbit to contemplate - Dr. Venture lactates, which leads me to believe they had no mother and he breastfed them. Hmm!
Well, some male animals can develop milk in their mammaries in the absense of a mother to feed the offspring. Perhaps Dr. Venture naturally underwent that strange transformation due to their lack of a mother...Probably reading too far into it.
Quick note -- during the DVD commentary, one of the commentators (sorry, I forgot who) says that he was initially against the boys having navels, then wonders if he just released a spoiler by saying that. Intriguing... - DynSkeet * Talk 12:42, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
That was Jackson. It's interesting, but we should keep in mind how much that actually spoils. All it would tell us is that they didn't develop in their mother's stomach. So while it screams "test-tube babies" (or maybe "vat babies" in this case), it doesn't really tell us whether or not they are genetically-engineered, or whether or not they are clones.
And, of course, since we have seen them with belly-buttons already, Jackson can always decide to change his original plans. 69.169.74.209 01:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
well, that answers that...they're clones.

Vietnam?

Regarding the entry for Brock Sampson: "The day after he'd been cut from the football team, he may have seen that his future in civilian life was shot, so he left to voluntarily enlist in the US Army during the Vietnam War."

There's two things wrong with this. First, the events shown as flashbacks in the episode "Past Tense" take place in the early 1980's, maybe the late 70's at the earliest. The hairstyles, cultural references are clearly from this era. Mr. White even makes mention of running a New Wave college radio station. In any event, long after the Vietnam War.

Second, the show never states of what branch of the military Brock served in before being an agent of Office of Secret Intelligence.


I am quite sure that the name of the german character with the metal jaw is spelled Unterbeit, and I have attempted to change all instances of it in this article. --brkmyr 05:47, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

This article notes that Sasquatch is not in a sexual/ marital relationship with Steve Summer. I believe that it was implied from the episode that they were more than "just friends". But I would like other imput before changing this. --brkmyr 05:58, Nov 8, 2004 (UTC)

According to the credits in every episode that the Baron is in, his name is spelt Baron Ünderbheit. I don't know where you get "Unterbeit" from, but I have only checked out the credits for proper spelling. If there was a part in one or some of the episodes where it states that "Unterbeit" is the correct spelling, then so be it. Slof 05:16, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

As for your other comment, you may be right, but, like you, I'd appreciate another opinion. Slof 05:16, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

According to the home page, it is "Ünderbheit." For verification check the episode guide and "past Tense" and it has his name there. As for Steve Summer, I believe it was established that it was sexual. He alludes to it when he talks of falling in love, and even touches the sasquatch on his thigh. Also, given Brock’s reaction to finding out that the sasquatch was a male, I would say that it was established that it was a sexual relationship. However, this was one of the earlier shows and I might be remember incorrectly. Shouldn’t how the kids died in the season finally be pointed out as a clear reference to Easy Rider. Of course, this show is so full of references to shows that it is hard to know where to start. For example the one with Pirates had a verse of “a space oddity” verbatim. So pointing out all of the references could be superfluous.Headrattle 04:17, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

In "Trial of the Monarch" Phantom Limb doesn't go crazy, the guild was trying to capture the Trial Lawyer. That is why they dragged him out. It was all a plan to both destroy the Monarch and kidnapp the trial Lawyer. You know, the one taken from Total Recall. I like this show and watch it as least twice a week due to the nature of Adult Swim. Headrattle 04:30, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I concede the point on Underbheit and have returned all instances to the original spelling. As for Phantom Limb "going crazy", I agree his actions are a well calculated plan not a crazy rampage. --brkmyr 07:02, Nov 12, 2004 (UTC)

Far be it (farbeit?) from me to state opinion as fact, but isn't it more accurate to say that The Venture Bros. is less a direct parody of Johnny Quest and more a parody of what Quest's future would have been like? "Rusty Venture" Is more of a JQ, from the way things are described, and the whole irony is that being a wunderkind isn't so great past 40.

I see someone took out my note that one of the recurring Monarch henchmen is voiced as someone's amusing impression of Ray Romano. What's the reasoning for removing it? --Atario 20:00, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I don't know. I guess it is because your comment seemed like a POV.
Why would it be? It sounds like a bad impression of Ray Romano to me.136.182.2.222 05:42, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
  1. 24 wasn't killed by the Monarch- he appears in the last episode. This series pays great attention to continuity, so they wouldn't bring him back without an explanation - the henchman who died was just one of the numberless ones.
Where did that come from? I know the guy Brock killed in the very first episode actually was referred to by name, not number.... seriously, what are you talking about? MasterXiam 15:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
yeah, he was like skipper or scooter or something. he didn't have wings, so i assume that ment he wasn't numbered yet. and 24 wasn't killed. i think the last two of his henchmen were always involved in the incedents and were never shown dead, although only one of them looked different.--JadenGuy 04:58, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
For the record, the henchman who was still a fledgling and "this close to getting his wings", as The Monarch puts it, was named Speedy. captbananas 07:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Episode summaries

I think the length of the episode summaries/synopses need to be standardized - some are short, some are too long. I would cut down some of the longer entries, but for the "don't delete" rule we try to practice here on Wikipedia.

What do people want to do about this, if anything? - Lampbane

I think the episode summaries should be removed once the second season starts, otherwise the section will be way too large. You can provide a link to them from www.tv.com. --Cholmes75 23:58, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

tv.com basicaly sucks right now, keep the episode summaries here on wiki.71.110.94.111 01:02, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

You know, you could just relocate it to an Episode Summaries section.

Separate section for episodes

Can we have a separate section for episodes? just like how the ones on Boondocks are done? see here.... List of The Boondocks episodes for an example Omoo

Race Banner's Last Words

“... Tell Jonny...” references The Homecoming Queen's Got a Gun by Julie Brown. (click H in the Julie Brown video browser thing) .

Er... I think it was intended more as a reference between a love affair between the two characters. -DynSkeet (talk) 11:58, August 18, 2005 (UTC)
Hey, you never know, it could have been, "Tell Johnny, I love... pie." MasterXiam 15:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
.. or "Tell Johnny, I love ... Hadji, more."

I thinkit was more of a fatherly thing. He never told Johnny he loved him as a son, and he regretted it. of course, this whole discussion is POV, so..... whatever.

The Slashed Throat Thing

Dr. Girlfriend having a slashed throat. Where did anyone hear this? I have not heard this rumor before. -TwoLittleDolls 4:29, 08 July 2005

According to Jackson Publick, it's a "a total super-lie." -68.69.249.37, 1 August 2005

Unless someone can reference the rumor or the denial, that sentence needs to be removed. --InShaneee 04:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

legal issue?

The most recent edit added a note that "Past Tense" has not aired since last October due to a pending legal issue. Where is there more information on this? -DynSkeet (talk) 11:57, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

Here you go. Jackson Publick's journal: [2]

Apparently he's not allowed to go into too much detail, but the speculation is that it has to do with the design of the Lesliebots. -68.69.249.37, August 18, 2005

By the way, they might've aired the episode once more in November, during the time that the season was re-run during the week. I'm not sure, though. Does anyone remember?

It would be interesting to know how this will affect the DVD release currently scheduled for early next year. Pulpculture 04:59, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

He says that it will surely be included on the DVD. Still no word on what they're doing to resolve the issue, though. 68.69.249.37 08:40, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Last week, Jackson said that the issue's been resolved and the episode will be airing again. So I'll go ahead and remove the note. 68.234.239.109 11:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Yep, see here for Jackson's confirmation. "Past Tense" is scheduled to air next Sunday, October 9. Taco Deposit | Talk-o to Taco 13:15, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup

What was the reason for the cleanup tag? Nothing appears here in the discussion. --Oneoclockbird

Unencyclopedic Edits

If you truly beleive that Dr. Venture wants Brock dead, keep it to yourself. There is nothing in the show that indicates this (if you ask me). The very first episode (excluding the pilot) should prove to you that Dr. Venture not only does not want Brock dead, but truly needs him. When he finds the shrine/burial ground to Brock after the Monarch's henchmen have "supposedly" killed him, he totally flips out, cries, and starts drinking (whilst not having either of his livers). If you still beleive that he wants Brock dead, fine... but dont add it here. In my opinion, that is less than speculation. So knock it off. captbananas 23:45, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

  • Agreed. --Cholmes75 00:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
Brock obviously has replaced Johnas Venture in the part of Rusty's heart that looked up to his father. He's like a giant mountainous man who protects Rusty without criticizing him or carrying a legacy. He needs Brock, and actually dislikes his own children.

General Timeframe?

Have there ever been any statements from the creators as to when the Venture Brothers takes place? I'm curious to know simply based on the information presented in the show itself. There is one episode that specifically would state that it is the late 1990's. Episode 6, "Ghosts of the Sargasso" has 'The Action Man' talking to a dead Major Tom on the communicator wristwatch and stating that "It was sure good times we had back then, but that was almost 30 years ago".

Considering at the beginning of the episode it shows that Major Tom's spaceship crashes into the Bermuda Triangle in 1969, this would of course, appear to put the show somewhere near 1995 or possibly as late as 1998. The show had its original run in 2004 (save for the pilot in 2003), which leaves a gap of 5-10 years. Anyone know of any stated reasons for this? It seems curious, simply because the technology presented to us in the show appears to be on par (of not much more advanced) than what we currently have in the real world.

Thanks in advance. captbananas 13:22, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Venture's Drug Habit

From watching the first season I was under the impression that Dr. Venture was also taking downers, I can't recall every piece of info that led me to that, but here are two. In "Dia de Los Dangerous!" we see Dr. Venture picking up his "prescriptions" from a Mexican pharmacy. The Mexican doctor says something along the lines of, "I can't prescribe you all these drugs! Some of them have completely opposite effects". Thus suggesting that Dr. Venture is taking both uppers and downers. This is perhaps further supported in the episode where Pete White makes a reference to Venture taking "Mother's Little Helper", which is a very popular term used for Valium or other benzos and downers, as seen in the Rolling Stones song of the same name. Any input? 12.214.163.67 20:16, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Not sure about that. None of the prescriptions are actually named, so the "conflicting" ones might not be uppers or downers at all. The only concrete reference I recall to specific "medications" is when the gravity goes off on the space station, he cries that his "diet pills" were scattered. Anything further is speculation in my opinion. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:46, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
He's addicted to strong diet pills, which function as an amphetamine.
Even if what he takes actually are diet pills, that doesn't prove that he got prescriptions for downers in Mexico. - DynSkeet * Talk 01:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

He CLAIMS they are diet pills. Other characters have scoffed at this.

Ray Romano-esque Henceman

I'm not going to remove that information again, but if you are going to state in your edit that "Jackson [Christopher McCulloch] has stated that he intended it to sound like Romano", then I need to see that cited if i'm going to allow it to be left in. I personally read his LJ blog and have never seen him state that, so I want to know where you got this "reputable" information from. Thanks. captbananas 00:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

He said it on Voucher Ankles: [3] 69.169.74.209 01:03, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Excellent, now if anyone decides to remove that information we have that here, out in the open. Thanks for the link! captbananas 01:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars Kid reference

Actually, "Number 21" is a parody of the Star Wars Kid. In the episode - Tag Sale, Your It! - the henchmen does a shortened, but almost step for step copy of what we have seen in the Star Wars Kid video. So Thumperward, your removal has no merit. I will leave it up to other editors to come to a consensus on putting it back (it's not terribly important information anyway). But I just wanted to let you know that you are incorrect. captbananas 01:24, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually its really only in that one episode where we see Number 21's Star Wars fixation, and the one sequence in that episode parodys the Star Wars Kid, but that doesn't necessarily mean the character is based on him. -th1rt3en 02:44, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
The information he removed didnt refer to him being a "Star Wars Fanatic" that remains. The information Thumperward removed stated that he was a parody of the Star Wars Kid. So if we go off what you state than we should reverse that info, because he did in fact parody Star Wars Kid, but he may, or may not be a Star Wars fan. captbananas 03:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I understand what Th1rt3en is saying. The fact that that scene was a reference to the Stars Wars Kid does not make the character a parody of the Star Wars Kid. 69.169.74.209 09:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I dunno. I think the fact that he is obviously spoofing the Star Wars Kid, should also indicate that at least for the duration of "Number 21"'s fight with Brock (I say fight, but mean the lack thereof) he is a parody of the Star Wars Kid. It's at least a notable mention in a few words, considering it has to do with popular culture, and "The Venture Bros." have always been on the ball with that kind of thing. captbananas 18:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
However, the Star Wars Kid is not the only thing the character has spoofed. The end of "Return to Spider Skull Island" had the two henchmen spoofing a scene from Easy Rider (http://tviv.org/The_Venture_Bros./Return_to_Spider-Skull_Island). So I believe the character, other then the one scene, really has nothing to do with the Star Wars Kid. -th1rt3en 20:34, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Well, if you think the scene is notable enough to include in the article, then I think it really belongs in a "trivia" section (along with stuff like the Easy Rider reference, David Bowie lyrics, etc.).69.169.74.209 21:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Exactly. You - th1rt3en - mention that they also spoof Easy Rider and that is mentioned in the article, so why disinclude mention (wherever it may go, trivia, or elsewhere) of the Star Wars Kid? You cant pick and choose these things, either you include pop culture references or you dont. On that note, I will remove extra information directly attached to "Number 21", but I will move said information to the "trivia" section. Arguments? captbananas 02:13, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
This reference is so trivial as to warrant its omission from that paragraph on grounds of keeping the article a sane length. Venture Bros typically spoofs a good dozen things per episode. Listing them all might be an easy way to contribute to an article, but it tends to turn the article into unreadable slush. What brought the SWK thing to my attention was that it was appallingly phrased. Your pop culture reference section is perfect just now, so I just hope it doesn't become a dumping ground for other such references in future. Chris Cunningham 09:14, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! I've got my eye on the section and i'll attempt to keep it free of incredible length, but that will be a task all in its own. captbananas 17:26, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Clarification on the subject of the "Moment of Passion"

Just because I know someone is going to question my change to the article regarding having Brock and H.E.L.P.eR. "watching" in Dr. Venture's moment of passion, I just watched my taped version of Episode 2: Careers in Science, where this exchange takes place. I wrote down the conversation word for word, so now it will be FOREVER cleared up.

Hank and Dean back and forth: "Knock it off" "Wuss" "Knock it off" "Wuss"...

Dr. Venture: "Boys for the last time, stop! Brock is trying to drive!"

Brock: "I'm cool."

Hank and Dean (at same time): "He started it!"

Dr. Venture: "No I started it years ago in a moment of passion and i'll end it the same way, right here, in front of Brock, H.E.L.P.eR., and God! Now sit on your hands, and keep your mouths shut!"

I suppose if you want to take it that way, Dr. Ventures statement could infer that he will "end" the boys the same way he "started" them. However, because of the pauses in his speaking pattern (which, you obviously cant detect in readings this) it's obvious he means he will simply "end" the boys in front of Brock, H.E.L.P.eR., and God. Thank you. captbananas 17:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Jonas and Jonas Jr.

I've been thinking, even though they're technically Ventures, does anyone think it would be best to move Jonas and Jonas Jr. to the "Allies" (or Others) section and restrict the "Venture family" section to the core characters? The way it is now, I think it may give the mistaken impression that they are regulars.69.169.74.209 18:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

That sounds fine to me, but make sure to make it clear they are in fact members of the Venture Family, we dont people to think otherwise. On the other hand, Brock's last name is Sampson, not Venture, and he is included in the Venture "Family". It certainly is a fine line that we are drawing. You might simply make a note on each of Jonas, and Jonas Jr. that they are not main characters, even though they are key to the story (especially Jonas Senior). captbananas 01:05, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
That seems pretty clear in the descriptions already. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes. I'll group Sr. next to the rest of the Original Team Venture, and I guess I'll put Jr. in the "Others" until we see how he develops in Season 2.
HELPeR occupies a bit of a gray area too, but I don't see a problem with him being with the rest of the core characters.69.169.74.209 02:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

Split off the "Characters" sections

A number of other TV show articles have a seperate page for characters (and yet another for minor characters). Since this page is pretty long with a lot of it being character breakdowns how about we go ahead and make Characters from The Venture Brothers and Secondary Venture Brothers Characters pages? Bdve 03:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

My issue with that is soley this: removing all the information pertaining to characters (which makes up the bulk of the article) will severly shorten it. So instead of one slightly long-ish article, we'll have three (four if you count the episode listing) very short ones pertaining to the same show. I dont know if this is the general style ruling, but to me that just seems silly. I really dont think the episode is that long. However, we might wait untill June rolls around, and if they introduce a host of new characters worth noting in Season 2, than we can definatly do this. Just my two cents. captbananas 17:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't think it's necessary just yet. The article was a bit too long back when it had the episode summaries, but ever since the episode page was created, the length of the article seems fine to me.69.169.74.209 19:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
It might help if the only characters mentioned are recurring characters. Some of the characters listed, like the Manservant, Buck Manstrong, and Mr. Brisby, are only around for one episode. There's no real reason why those characters should be listed while other episode-specific characters are not.209.11.161.235 22:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
That I could agree with. Most of the characters in "Others" (besides Molotov, Jonas, and Impossible) are single episode characters that we may never see again. Race Bannon could go too. I think Jackson said that Manstrong's going to be in Season 2, though. 69.169.74.209 09:18, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Following other show and show characters articles, I just moved the whole list to a new article and made succinct (hopefully) paragraphs of major and notable characters. If you should believe this makes this article short, I wouldn't count on the size universally affecting the article. Plus, I'm planning on adding more information later. Moreover, since the section's been condensed I believe it will make people focus less on improving that section and more on improving the article as a whole. My two cents. Slof 02:19, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Dr. Girlfriend's Voice

I'd assumed until recently that Dr. Girlfriend was voiced by Harvey Fierstein rather than Doc Hammer--the credits zoom by pretty fast. (I would have bet money on it) I kinda think the impersonation is meant to be Fierstein rather than Jackie O. It's more of a New York accent than New England.

Well, the voice doesn't sound much like Fierstein to me personally. Further, the accent sounds similar to Frank White's accent, which Jackson Publick describes in his livejournal as having a New England tinge. Also, Doc Hammer was born in New England (Connecticut), so I think it's safe to say that the accent is at least an attempt at a New England accent.209.11.161.235 23:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Get the DVD box set - and in particular, watch 'behind the live-action movie' in the extras section; all will be revealed. --moof 13:33, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The Impossibles, Cody?

I believe the name of the flaming torch parody character is Coheed, not Cody. Also worth noting that Ned is a retarded person.

You have got to be kidding... What indication is there AT ALL to show his name is Coheed? Despite the fact that it is true, I dont think it is overtly notable that we talk about Ned being "retarded", as you so nicely put it.
Well, he is. If you're so sensitive to a common term for a mental illness, maybe you should take it up to the producers and writers who used it as a comedy bit for Ned's character, not me.
Also, please sign your comments, and further, add new discussions to the END of the talk page, not the top. I will be moving this next. Thank you. captbananas 06:37, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

I just watched the episode and it's quite definitely "Cody," not "Coheed." 68.5.79.141 06:25, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Agreed...watched it as well and it is Cody, which is appropriate as a twist on the Human Torch's first name of Johnny Vaginsh 10:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)


Linking random words

errr, if "avuncular" is such a quaint word that people are going to need further explanation then it should be removed, not linked. Honestly, are we going to have an encyclopedia entry for *uncles*? Chris Cunningham 14:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

I was under the impression that wikilinking a word simply meant that an article existed, not that you assume that others will need explanation. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

DVD Releases

Should this section be cleaned up a bit, rather then listing which episodes are on which dvd? -th1rt3en 01:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hank and Dean are dead?

With Hank and Dean dying at the end of season 1, and the commentary mentioning how Williams generally dislikes their characters, coupled with Hammer and Publick mentioning how they sometimes easily forget to even write them parts and focus too heavily on Brock Samson, isn't it safe to add to the article that Hank and Dead are officially dead? If you check Publick's live journal, there seems to be no mention or presense of Hank or Dean in any of the Season 2 images and material. I believe Jonas Jr and Thaddeus are the "Venture Bros" as of Season 2.

Just because Doc and Jackson said nothing about the Venture Brothers, nor have shown any images of them, doesn't mean they are permanently dead. Jackson Publick's livejournal also said that the pictures didn't give anything away. And I thought they said on the commentary that Pete White and Master Billy Quizboy were the unliked characters? -th1rt3en 02:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I remember him saying that about Pete and Billy. But don't remember that ever being said in reference to the boys. 69.169.74.209 02:49, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
There's no reason to make that conclusion right now. Jackson could simply be intentionally avoiding to mention them in order to not give anything away. We'll just have to wait until the 25th and see what happens. 69.169.74.209 02:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Well...either way guys, as of Season 1, they're kind of dead. "Get their clothes" means pack their things and clear out their rooms, they're dead.
No, no. They're only mostly dead. Mostly dead isn't all dead. 69.169.74.209 03:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Woo for references. :) Chris Cunningham 16:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Or "get their clothes" might mean "take the clothes off the corpses, I don't want to have to buy more for the clones." It's kind of pointless to speculate on the meaning of those three words. - DynSkeet * Talk 16:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
He was clearly stating to remove their belongings from the compound because they just died. Dean's clothing was scorched off, while Hank was mostly destroyed.
I don't think it's that clear, seeing how they weren't at the compound when they made the statement. -th1rt3en 04:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
I would just like to state that since there IS an accomplised necromancer in the house, even if they are "dead" The condition is more than likely cureable
Possibly... but raising the dead traditionally involves a prolonged, traumatic journey through the underworld, battling supernatural entities, and so forth. I'm sure Orpheus would be up for such a task, but would Dr. Venture really want him to bother? - DynSkeet * Talk 12:40, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

On a side note, any speculation about the DVD commentary that says "he (Doctor Venture) killed his *bleep*ing kids"? I think this was during "Eeny Meeny Miney Magic," when Venture revealed that the "joy can" is powered by an orphan's heart. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Sally Impossible

The Sally article states she doesn't have the ability to return to normal like the invisible woman. This is incorrect, it just requires more concentration. This is addressed in the episode when her intoxication leads her to lose concentration and let her skin become transparent.

I believe she is "normally" invisible and she has to un-invisible her skin herself, rather then the other way around. -th1rt3en 02:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Publick and McCulloch

With Jackson Publick being an alias for McCulloch, is there any reason they are addressed seperately in this article? It's sort of confusing.

I went ahead and removed the wiki-link for Jackson Publick that was right next to the Chris M. wiki-link. -th1rt3en 02:51, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Trivia: Season 1 and 2

Was my addition to the trivia acceptable. Which shows the name change from "The Venture Bros." to "The Venture Brothers".

I don't think an [AS] commercial determines what the show is called. One [AS] commercial called 12 oz mouse, 12 INCH mouse instead. IMDB still has it as Bros. with no "alternate names". -th1rt3en 20:09, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Well thats ok it should at least be recognized as the first time that Adult Swim showed The Venture Bros. without the abbreviation. Gwag 18:35, 18 June 2006
I honestly think that too much is being made out of something insignificant. I'm going to go ahead and remove it for now. 69.169.74.209 06:34, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
I think you should also remove the "possible new title card" craphic. This is a network promo which misspells the programme name. It is not a title card. Obviously [AS] created this as a stand in because an actual new title card was not ready, or because they want the new title card to be a surprise. There is zero evidence that the image depicted is an actual title card. Canonblack 11:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
I went ahead and removed it. The new episode still shows it as "Bros." and not "Brothers" -th1rt3en 00:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Vigorous?

From the "Characters" section:

both brothers have vigorous tendencies, with Hank being primarily adventurous and Dean being "effeminate" and the more bookish of the two.

Try as I might, I can't quite figure out what "vigorous tendencies" are supposed to be in this context. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Neither can I; you may want to ask User:Slof, as his edit put it there - or you could always rewrite it yourself. :) --moof 13:31, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
VIGOR! What's wrong with that word? It's close somewhat to "adventurous" and its synonyms, but if I had put that, the next segment about Hank would have been rendered useless. What I was getting at was that they had vigor ("physical and mental strength, energy or force")--vigor to have adventures, vigor to act as spies, vigor to hunt for clues...basically, if you can't see vigor in these guys (besides when they learn its egg salad for lunch), you're obviously not watching the same show I am. "Vigorous tendencies" is their use and impetus to be vigorous (slightly adventurous, by that, but not precisely). Anyways, why the big brouhaha over this? If someone feels it's useless, they can rewrite it to make it simpler. Slof 08:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
The "big brouhaha" was just a simple question. IMO, that is a somewhat obscure meaning for vigor (I might have used "enthusiastic" myself). I didn't rewrite it though, so just take a deep breath. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:04, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

"Everybody's Free (To Feel Good)"

I noticed that in the season two premier, during the opening montage, Rozalla's "Everybody's Free (To Feel Good)" plays in the background. Can anyone identify if this is a particular version of the song? Mr Bound 14:42, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I guess I have to ask how you've seen the first season two episode yet, when it doesn't come on for more than seven hours from now on the US east coast. - DynSkeet * Talk 19:16, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Friday Night Fix, man. 68.234.189.189 19:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Gah. I just looked at the main article and saw mention of that. - DynSkeet * Talk 19:30, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I have to say though, I don't know anything about wiki-policy on this, but I wish people would've at least waited until Monday morning before playing so fast and loose with the spoilers on the main page. But, eh, oh well... 68.234.189.189 19:43, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Yep. If you haven't seen it, though, you're in for a treat. Quite solid. Also, I did manage to find the version of the song, it's the Aquagen techno version. Mr Bound 20:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Digital inking?

I admit I don't know much about the details of producing an animated show, but the following part from the main article sounds strange:

the show is drawn and inked in the traditional animation style, albeit digitally

Are digitally animated shows, strictly speaking, inked? - DynSkeet * Talk 17:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

they first draw out, and ink in the characters in regular position on paper (standing up fingers out, etc.) it is then uploaded to a computer through a high precision scanner. They then configure the bodys on a background and begin editing the characters in a 1/10 second frame, email me at glennwagner@verizon.net if you want to more about it. {I'm not going to write out the entire process} heres the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_ink#Digital_ink_and_paint Gwag 18:09 26, June 2006 (UTC)
I guess my point is that the wording in the article isn't clear. Perhaps a link to the digital ink article would help? - DynSkeet * Talk 12:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Episode 14 montage

Template:Spoiler From www.tv.com: How the boys died the last 14 times:

  1. Sucked into a jet exhaust
  2. Crushed by a giant spider
  3. Blew up the hangar trying to smoke
  4. Shooting apples off of each others’ heads
  5. Decapitated riding their motorbikes
  6. Ripped apart by a were-Thaddius [werewolf Dr. Venture]
  7. Trying to fly off a roof (Hank only)
  8. Crushed by a robot
  9. Running with scissors (Dean only)
  10. Satellite falling on them (Hank only)
  11. Gas leak
  12. Falling into a spiked pit
  13. Dr. Venture setting their room on fire. [the boys are not seen, but they are trapped inside their beds]
  14. [The drive-by shooting from episode 13]


So that would be 13 deaths leaving one death open to specualtion, because they are the 14th pair of clones, and are the 15th in the Venture Brothers line. Gwag 3:09 28, June 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't 100% clear (to me, at least) that there have been 14 pairs of clones... if I remember correctly, Venture says "This has happened how many times now?" and Brock replies "This'd be 14." It's possible this means they're developing the 13th set of clones, making the "new" Hank and Dean the 14th pair. That would explain the 13 death scenes, anyway. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
This would be the 15th pair assuming that the first pair were clone pods. Otherwise, this would be the 14th time of making a new pair of clone pods, having made a new one after each death. Dr. Venture says he made the first from "toenail clippings" and would probably look like this: bros. - death1 - new pods1 - death2 - pods2 - deaths3 - ... - deaths 14 - pods 14. So one pair + 14 pods (from 14 deaths) = 15 -th1rt3en 15:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Also regarding the fact that 3 times only one of the boys died, I believe Brock was stating that this was the 14th time they had to make at least one new clone, not necessarily a new pair. Also note that Hank-only has died twice and Dean-only has died once. If they only made pairs this would mean that there's an extra Dean somewhere. -th1rt3en 15:46, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

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Phantom Limb

Is there any evidence that the Phantom Limb is actually a "high-ranking" member of the Guild, rather than just a member? - DynSkeet * Talk 12:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Well, you probably know this already, you having posted the above on the 28th. But in Assassinanny 911 he says that his home is "Location B" for the Guild, and the "gyrocoptor" is only given to high-ranking guild officials. - Hazelfo * Talk 4:26, 12 July 2006

Were I a cynic, I might suggest that both of these are based solely on the words of PL himself rather than any outside evidence... but of course I'm not. - DynSkeet * Talk 21:09, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

'independent plots"

Removing this ridiculous section. "Independent episodes" are de rigeur for about 75% of the series on TV. Besides, VB is unique in that it has a degree of continuity to it, and every episode ISN'T self contained; small characters and occurrances, seemingly minor in one episode, come back prominently in others.209.169.114.213 17:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

O.k. Slof 06:57, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, in "Eeny Meany Miney Magic" Dean mentions to Triana that they were captured by Ghost Pirates one time, who had a Jolly Roger for a flag. But in "Pirates of the Sargosso" Dr. Orpheous is called by Dean to help with the dead Venture Team Member Tom, which contradicts an earlier episode so either these instances occured at the same time or its a continuation flaw. Gwag 20:42, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
No, it's not continuity error. Jackson already explained this one. Dean was simply referring to an earlier incident where they faced real ghost pirates. The pirates that were in "Sargasso" were fakes, they were just pretending to be ghosts. You see? Totally different situations. 68.234.189.189 05:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Reorganizing the Trivia/Themes.

I've merged and hopefully cleaned up the Trivia and Themes section into a general 'Homages and References' section, mostly because with the episode pages in full swing and hopefully characters to be the same, the information already here was getting redundant and messy. Obviously, anything not episode specific (like the EXTRA-color and X-1 bits) or that much a running gag (such as David Bowie) gets to be here, though. Hope this helps. Umbric Man 1st July 2006 1:37

Good job. Slof 14:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Help needed in Justice League Unlimited

If somebody is interested in Justice League Unlimited, please go to the List of Justice League episodes to help fix that page, meet this one's high quality standarts.Some users refuse to expand info and create article per episodes, even though they know the existence of the wikiproject and well developed pages like the sub-articles here.--T-man, the wise 02:26, 2 July 2006 (UTC)--T-man, the wise 02:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Is there going to be a third Venture Child?

I just noticed after watching the opening sequence to "Powerless in the Face of Death", when Brock sticks the dart in Thadius' neck, Thadius mentions that he and this girl next to him called Sky are going to have a baby. Could this come back later in the season? I believe this needs some discussion. Gwag 23:25, 2 July, 2006 (UTC)

Nah, that was most likely just him reacting to the "feel good candy" from his "new family". I doubt Sky (the girl) was even pregnant when he made that comment. -th1rt3en 03:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with 13, I think Venture was just babbling at that point. - DynSkeet * Talk 04:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Well remeber in Dia de Los Dangerous! Thadius has a dream of him and his brother in his mom's womb, and the brother came into play at the end of the season. Thats why I'm interested in this Sky deal. Gwag 00:44, 3 July, 2006 (UTC)
I agree-Venture's purely babbling on whatever he had going on in his mind. Hell, notice that he's drinking right then at the very beginning of the scene, I think. Or doing something to cloud his mental capicity. Umbric Man 3rd July 2006 3:45
I think he has a pacifier in his mouth, which may imply that he's on ecstacy. God only knows what else he's been doing in addition to the opium den. - DynSkeet * Talk

"effeminate"

I dunno I'd think to qualify as such thecharacter would have to be more like that Frasier character from the radiostation that is also ambiguosly gay but never admits so, the Dana Carvey symilar sketch parody, Fez from that 70s show or Jack from will and Grace. Dean is just kinda whinny, or a wuss, like Ross from Friends. Will from Will & Grace is in the middle, he has a effeminete quality, but he is not that obvious at all.

I think the correct term would be sensitive. I think Dr. Venture would tend to be a lot more effeminate, but just like the Will character, he isn't quite there really.--T-man, the wise 07:54, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

If you're talking about the description of Dean, that is a direct quote from the show. Brock says something like "Dean's just so..." and Dr. Venture says "Effiminate?" - DynSkeet * Talk 15:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
If you go back and watch the episode, which I think is the Christmas special, I believe Dr. Venture actually says "feminine" instead of "effiminate". A subtle difference, but still a difference.12.162.189.80 18:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Office of Secret Intelligence

I think it's about time someone with the DVDs and a little time wrote up an organization page about the OSI. There's a page about the Orange County Liberation Front which was seen in one episode, but the OSI is a major factor every time Brock's past comes up. (Sorry I forgot to sign this when I first posted.) --Boradis 07:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

""Once I see the "Assassinanny 911", maybe I'll do it (unless someone beats me to it as-is the norm for new Venture wiki-pages these days). I don't know right now if there's enough information to warrent a page, though-the Orange County Liberation Front was kept, IMO, purely because it was created at a time when we desperately needed pages. Umbric Man 11:38 8th July 2006

Hmmm... there hasn't been much actual info mentioned about OSI. All I know about them is:
  1. Shady government agency.
  2. Brock's employer.
  3. Issuer of secret-agent IDs that grant license to kill, which expires periodically.
  4. Therefore employer of dude who recertified Brock.
  5. Possibly, though never stated explicitly, supplied the guards for the yard sale.
  6. Hunter worked for them and ripped them off.
  7. Apparently has existed for at least 27 years.
  8. Ummmmmm.... that's it.
Is that enough for an article? - DynSkeet * Talk 16:18, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Brock's license (Image:Brocklicense.jpg) may have some info on it regarding the OSI. -th1rt3en 16:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
True... it's just a question of whether to create a somewhat stubby article now, or wait until more info comes available and make a thorough article in one big plop. My vote is to wait, but if someone else creates the article I will try to contribute if possible. - DynSkeet * Talk 17:31, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Well Brock's license shows-
Clearence Level(his is level 8)
organ donor (the red box that says DONOR)
Class level(A).
So we should wait until some more episodes until starting the Office of Secret Intelligence stub. Cause theres still to little info. about it. - Gwag 13:46, 10 July 2006 (EST)
We also know:
  1. They share an acronym with the OSI from "The Six Million Dollar Man."
  2. They perform a wide variety of duties, including assassinations and providing security for civilians with ties to national security (the Ventures), as well as other espionage-related jobs. (Various eps)
  3. They operate nationally and internationally. (Various eps)
  4. They have a strong moral code, which bars agents from killing women or children. (Assassinanny)
  5. Like the Guild of Calamitous Intent, they are one of a few (mostly) competent outfits in the Venture universe. (Various eps)
  6. While they are extremely professinal, demi-gods like Brock get a pass on things like the written exam. (Midlife Crysalis)
  7. They employ many of the super-science gadgets of the types developed by the various Dr. Ventures (Doctors Venture?), and may be current customers of Venture Industries. (Various eps)
  8. They have no qualms about killing (or at least seriously wounding) their own operatives, even for something as minor as a training exercise (Assassinanny) or for voluntarily opting out of an assignment (Tag Sale).

--Boradis 21:13, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

It's a judgement call. If you can create a decent-length article without relying heavily on speculation (item 7 sounds a bit like original research), then go for it. I'd be shocked if they didn't continue to dole out info on the organization. - DynSkeet * Talk 00:25, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

homages and referecnes

This section seems to be getting a bit jumbled and messy. I went ahead and added a cleanup tag. -th1rt3en 20:59, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Screencaps!

Alright. Main page, so this very general topic goes here.

We need screencaps, peeps. I'll put back up that 'season 2 characters' pic and hopefully what'll be a non-crappy comparison pic of Jonny Quest's family in their plane (check his page, it's there) and the family in their plane from the season 1 opener for the 'homages' section, and I can probably get my friend to get some quick caps of the remaining characters for their individual pages.

But most of all I feel we need episode screencaps. One or two new ones for each episode, and of the obvious stuff-Sorayama being smashed into the TV for "Past Tense", #21 as the Star Wars kid, y'know what I mean. Anyone willing to take this on? I, and everyone else on Team Venture (lame-ass name for the Venture-Wiki regulars. I declare it!) would VERY MUCH appreciate it. Umbric Man 3:42 A.M. 17th July 2006.

Just be aware of the Wikipedia rules on images. I don't fully understand them, but there are definite guidelines on use of copyrighted material and screencaps. I've noticed that a few "unsourced" images have been deleted already. - DynSkeet * Talk 12:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Ugh, don't remind me, hah. I'm still learning the ways of the Wikipedia, and I hopefully fixed up that source crud for the character images. Hopefully it won't be as bad now. Umbric Man 2:06 P.M. 17th July 2006
Wikipedia is a harsh and demanding mistress. - DynSkeet * Talk 18:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)