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[edit] Oscar's Death
An unsigned comment left on the WP:DW sandbox complains that a change to the manner of Oscar's death in this article was repeatedly reverted. The author (who I presume was Blakesseven but don't know for sure) mentioned that they had seen the episode and that they were upset that their edits were being reverted.
In case this comes up as an issue again, and to preserve the comment given that it is ephemeral in the sandbox, there is copious evidence to support the fact that he was, indeed, stabbed by Shockeye, and not killed by stomach acid as the editor claims. The version currently in the article should remain, unless solid evidence to the contrary can be presented, in which case we need to resolve the conflict.
Evidence that supports the stabbing death include: the Target novelisation of the story (weak evidence, as Target novelisations do not always follow the televised plot exactly, but in the absence of other evidence to the contrary, this is evidence); the "Doctor Who: The Legend - 5 Decades of Time Travel" and "Doctor Who: The Legend Continues - 5 Decades of Time Travel" commemorative books written/compiled by Justin Richards; the Doctor Who Reference Guide [1], an authoritative source with synopses of every episode; various news reports in the TV Week and British newspapers from the time complaining about the 'meaningless' death of Oscar and the appropriateness of a stabbing death like this on children's television (I will go to the effort of scanning and correctly citing these articles if it becomes absolutely necessary). A search for the stomach acid death has reduced zero authoritative sources for me.
Should the issue come up again, then we should definitely discuss it and compare sources. I would hope however that it would be discussed on this talk page, where it is in context, rather than through a revert war. CastorQuinn (talk) 11:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
- Unless there's an alternate take, the DVD and VHS versions I have both feature Shockeye stabbing Oscar -- plus all the text material that you mentioned. DonQuixote (talk) 16:29, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Continuity
There's been this addition to the Continuity section, which I've removed:
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- When the 6th Doctor suggests that as his 2nd generation was dead yet he was alive, the universe would then collapse in on itself and cease to exist. A similar plot device is used in the revival series episode Father's Day, when Rose Tyler saved her father's life when he should have died, thus causing temporal beings to appear and start consuming the world.
I've removed it for a few reasons. The main reason is that the Doctor explicitly states in Father's Day that the reapers showed up only because the Time Lords were no longer around to repair the paradox themselves; given that the Time Lords were still around at the time of The Two Doctors, the reapers weren't a possibility.
Also, it was very clearly established in the Trial of a Timelord that the death of a previous incarnation of the Doctor does not automatically mean the death of all subsequent versions. Admittedly the Valeyard is an atypical example, but I think it's safe to assume the Time Lords wouldn't have allowed the deal to be made if the end result was the destruction of the universe.
I'm happy to discuss the validity of this point, and I may well be mistaken, but for now I'll remove it from the article. CastorQuinn (talk) 08:16, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
