Talk:The Truth About Hillary
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I am reminded of one headline by Drudge during the 2004 U.S. election. He got hold of a picture of Kerry and Edwards arm in arm after a campaign rally.. the headline was "CAN'T KEEP HANDS OFF EACH OTHER". Take out Drudge if you want, but don't touch Hannity.. if you start arguing that Sean Hannity isn't a conservative I'm going to laugh. Rhobite 06:18, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
He prefers to call himself conservative. And there's plenty of libertarians more conservative than most republicans. Libertarian doesn't mean "not conservative". I know Drudge is libertarian, there's no need to back it up. RJSampson
DRUDGE: Oh, yeah. I'm a prolife conservative
Please excuse the expression, but you are being RIDICULOUS if you think Hannity is not a conservative. He hosts a debate show for crying out loud. Fox News bills him as the conservative one. He wrote a book about "Defeating Terrorism, Despotism, and Liberalism"! I'm sorry to say, your claim that Hannity is not a conservative is very mistaken. Rhobite 06:25, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
- Where Hannity stands on the socio-political spectrum is clear, and the POV reasons for obscuring this fact are demonstrated by editors who proclaim how conservative they are in edit summaries. In any event the article is better off in its current form, ie. without mention of the minor point of a Hannity interview on the day the book was launched. 203.198.237.30 07:44, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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[edit] dispute
changed "liberal" to "progressive" to agree with organizations self-description, wikipedia article, and description as quoted by the Associated Press article being sourced.
There is no dispute on the factual accuracy of this article. The only dispute is on whether or not its appropriate to include the labels "conservative" and "liberal". Of course, there's no dispute that Drudge is conservative (proof is below) or that Conason is liberal (would be happy to post proof for that if requested). The dispute is.. Should we include that in the controversy section? I, and others, say yes. Someone else says no. But it's not appropriate to put a disclaimer disputing the factual basis. RJSampson
...Does every political article on wikipedia run into this non-sense when it's created? This is truly exhausting. RJSampson
[edit] Conservative and Liberal
We would appreciate it if the characterizations of Drudge and Conason would remain. A user on this site got very angry at me for having characterized Matt Drudge and others as conservative. It's as if he wants Drudge to be considered an unbiased source, so we can all bask in the headlines of his gossip-site (which are normally acrimonious to the left and/or magnanimous to the right). The interview posted below shows Drudge is proud to be conservative. Conason is proud to be liberal. Neither of these two personalities are centrist book reviewers, and to exclude their political orientation could possibly make this suggestion. This is a CONTROVERSY section, so this article needs to highlight points of view that exist (but not exclusively) on both the Left and the Right.
I've read the book cover to cover and it is not a Biography. It is a political book written by a disaffected Centrist who is now Conservative (according to HIS interviews. Shall I post those as well?) Because it is a work with political intent, it is EXTREMELY appropriate to state reactions from prominant people from the group the book targets (Liberals) and the group that the book is written to make look better (Conservatives). Matt Drudge is conservative, Joe Conason is Liberal. Period. They're both proud of it, they have both been described that way in other articles in the mainstream (ie, not Foxnews or New York Times) press outlets like Reuters and Associated Press. Therefore, they will be described that way here. It only benefits the reader, it is a FACT and not POV, and if that upsets you, you should not be editing this article as your desire to remove "conservative" characterizations clearly demonstrates bias. Removing Conason's "liberal" characterization comes across as a thinly-veiled attempt to stay neutral. All you have done is remove facts from a Wikipedia article, which is extremely counterproductive. The characterizations stay.RJSampson 08:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Ditto. Rhobite 20:17, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Matt Drudge IS conservative
I am replacing Matt Drudge's characterization as conservative. Libertarians can be conservative, and Republicans can be liberal. More importantly, Drudge considers himself conservative. If you still insist that this is our opinion/POV, I am attaching an excerpt from an interview between world-reknown (for better or worse) journalist Camille Paglia and Matt Drudge. I am also enclosing a link to the entire text.
This should resolve, once and for all, that Drudge is conservative and we don't want any know-it-all teenagers (or those with teenager personalities) getting angry about it and removing it:
PAGLIA: You're antiestablishment down the line, except when it comes to your politics. Do you really consider yourself a conservative?
DRUDGE: Oh, yeah. I'm a prolife conservative who doesn't want the government to tax me. There are issues that I'm so frightened of -- 1.2 million abortions a year scares the hell out of me. Oftentimes when I see these superstorms forming, you know, sometimes -- I wouldn't be honest if I didn't think it was retribution. I also am opposed to big government. Now, you would argue: Well, how could you support a government interfering with the rights of a woman over her own body? But I would argue: No. That all life is sacred. Abortion is the issue that really motivates me.
See the full interview at:
www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/927041/posts <-- The question is about 1/4 the way down. RJSampson 07:19, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You're a mean guy, Pitchka.
[edit] References
I recommend a change in reference format. It's good that this article is thoroughly sourced. Since most of the sources come from the book itself, parenthetical references are much easier than footnotes. There's no need for a large number of footnotes when you're citing the same book many times. Rhobite 05:44, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
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