Talk:The Triangle (North Carolina)

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[edit] Population

The CSA Population is 1,509,560 according to the U.S. Census 2005 predictions. I think this should be added somewhere.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.16.55.153 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Revert, title

Hi, I reverted the edits by User:Leonard23 to the last version by User:Dubaduba. Leonard's edits did include some useful changes but overall the edits made the article very confusing. Anyone that makes further edits to this article may find it useful to first take a look at the edits by Leonard (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TheTriangle&diff=14934735&oldid=14467888).

Now about this article's title... The current version says this: "The Research Triangle, commonly referred to as the 'Triangle'..." while Leonard23 changed it to "The Triangle, commonly referred to as the 'Research Triangle' and 'Piedmont Triangle'...". I'm not sure which is more correct, if "The Triangle" should be the main title or if it should be "The Research Triangle". One thing is for sure, and that is that this article's current title is incorrect. —Teklund 17:03, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Reason for edits & Title Change

My reasoning behind the reverting is because the map of the Triangle area is useful but doesn't offer any real information about the region. The map has been moved to its own individual article so that if you want a visional depiction of the region you can view such. The article is more confusing in it original form because of it offers nothing special to the incite and real information about the region. I have in possession more information about the Triangle and will add very soon. In addition to that I will create a more suitable map that will highlight the region's boundaries and Census definition of the region. I have prior experience on creating article's on metropolitan region's on the website (see Birmingham-Hoover-Cullman Metropolitan Area and The Upstate), so I am trying to make this article more informative, inciteful, and interesting than the former versions of this article offered.

I changed the title of the article from Research Triangle to The Triangle is because I spent many summers living in the region through Duke's high school recruiting program. I learned very much about the region including its true nickname used by actual locals, "The Triangle". Nobody who really has lived there calls it the "Research Triangle", but instead calls it "The Triangle", a more familiar and better suited name for the region. Leonard23 19 Jun 2005 11:30 a.m. (UTC)

I don't get it. Why is this called "TheTriangle" with no space? Why is The Triangle a double redirect to Drexel University's paper? This page should be named "Research Triangle", I think. Either way we need a proper disambig page. Rhobite 17:49, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
This topic should be "Research Triangle, North Carolina", I believe. Yes, most people refer to it simply as The Triangle, however if they were to search for it they would more than likely search for Research Triangle, as that's the "The Triangle" comes from. Treznor 19:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I've lived there since 1977, and only in WP have I ever heard this term "Research Triangle". There really is no such thing. There's the Research Triangle Park. And there is the metropolitan area, which is called The Triangle. The other already redirects here, so what's the worry? -Jcbarr 20:38, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
Living in North Carolina most of my life, and in Raleigh for the last 6 years, I've never heard this area referred to as the Research Triangle. I've only heard the Triangle as a name for the entire region and Research Triangle Park or RTP as a name for the park itself. I would like to see some references where this region is called the Research Triangle. --Tony(blah blah blah)(look what I can do!) 13:36, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
The term "Research Triangle" was used in the 70s and 80s when the Research Triangle Park was growing quickly, and the name began to be applied to the region as a whole. The RTP is what brought "The Triangle" together from three separate regions into one metropolitain area, and hence the derivation of "The Triangle" from "Research Triangle" is correct. But it is true that "The Triangle" is almost always what's heard in normal conversation today, in 2007. Thus I agree with the article title, but hopefully this explains the confusion. If I can find a good source on this I'll add something to the article. Jpp42 08:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dunn

I'm sure this was added (not by me) was because the Dunn Micropolitan Area is officially part of the Raleigh-Durham Combined Statistical Area (Census defin of CSAs). Pick your criteria for "primary", but arguably this should be one. -Jcbarr 20:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Dunn is considered a micropolitan. Quoting from that article:The term gained currency in the 1990s to describe growing population centers in the United States that are removed from larger cities, in some cases 100 miles (160 km) or more. Geographically it is "outside the triangle". Please take a look at a map to verify. Also I do not think that Raleigh-Durham Combined Statistical Area should be equated with "The Triangle". It would take over an hour to drive to RDU (Arguably the center of the Triangle) from Dunn. The reason I believe that Dunn is mentioned by the Census is because it so far from what people would consider the Triangle that it was named explicitly to clarify the area that they were using for statistical purposes. Primary cities would to me be the largest. I vote to move Dunn to the "suburb under 10k" (if it could be called that even!) and change Primary to "Primary cities over 50,000 inhabitants". I believe I am compromising by even including it in this article, any complaints with my proposal? If not, I am "Dunn talking" and I will proceed with the edits. :) --coreyr 23:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I vote to keep it Primary City as is. A primary city is a primary city regardless of its size. If a city has a nameplate within the name of the consolidated statistical area then we should respect it as a that. I honestly belief you should remain as is with the specific categories I originially created when I created this page. Leonard23 8:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Ask anyone that lives within the Triangle if they consider Dunn to be a part of the Triangle, and they most definately would not agree. People in Dunn would not consider themselves to live in the Triangle. Dunn is most definately a suburb of the Triangle, not a Primary City. It is listed as a Micropolitan area by the Census, not a Metropolitan area. I would argue that Micropolitan areas shouldn't be Primary Cities, but that Metropolitan cities should, as well as other cities in special cases, as in Chapel Hill in this case as it's the third leg of the Triangle. Treznor 18:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Shopping Centers

I have removed from the list The Lassiter at North Hills and North Hills Mall and added North Hills Shopping Center. The first I removed (I believe) is a reference to North Hills Shopping Center, but that only describes a small portion of the entire center. North Hills Mall was demolished earlier this decade to make way for the new North Hills Shopping Center. Tony 17:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cite needed: "most educated and affluent"

The following claim is uncited:

The Triangle's population is the most educated and affluent in the Southeastern United States.

While I would love to believe this true (since I'm a resident of the Triangle), I would like to see an official source back it up.

--Tony(blah blah blah)(look what I can do!) 13:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fayetteville in the Triangle?

Ok, should Fayetteville be included in the Triangle article? Recent edits have included the city (50 miles away from Raleigh) and Cumberland County... I reverted most because this is the first I've heard of that. Obviously TV networks are including Fayetteville in their "covered" area because it's within their range, but I don't think that's enough for Fayetteville to be considered part of the Triangle. Earlier we had an argument about Dunn not being in the Triangle...why should Fayetteville? I know here in the Triad, local TV networks cover a larger area than the Piedmont Triad itself...including a few counties in Virigina and down into Charlotte/Metrolina territory. Any Triangle locals want to buzz in? --TinMan 03:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Fayetteville is not officially in the triangle. But several TV stations translate Triangle news from it. --GoOdCoNtEnT 06:44, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Fayetteville isn't a part of the Triangle, as a component of the MSA or CSA. Fayetteville is part of the DMA - Designated Market Area, which is not a census bureau term, but a market research designation, used primarily to define radio & TV market areas (a legal requirement in those industries), but also generally approriated into many other aspects of business marketing, tourism and related service industries.

A similar NC/SC example would be the occasionally confused Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson-Asheville DMA, which includes the seperate Greenville, Spartanburg, Anderson and Asheville MSAs (as with the seperate MSAs within the overall CSA that forms the Triangle, the SC MSAs are also combined as a CSA, just to make these kinds of matters more confusing). --Davidals 04:44, 03 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Counties

The number of counties listed for the Triangle were far too excessive and non-factual. I have removed some of them. --GoOdCoNtEnT 06:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

It's like the Piedmont Triad. Lexington, NC isn't one of the anchors, but it is a "Piedmont Triad community" and it's in southern Davidson County. Similar to Metrolina too. --TinMan 05:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Unusual community names

Cities with interesting, but unofficial acronyms: These were posted on the North Carolina article, but I didn't believe they were of enough importance to be listed there, so I moved them to this regional article. --TinMan 17:55, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TTA Rail?

Why is there still a reference to the TTA rial project, the project is almost certainly dead. Shouldn't that at least be noted?

[edit] "the highest number of Ph.D.s per capita"

The source of this statement indicates that the Raleigh/Durham region has a highly-educated workforce, along with several other US locations mentioned. Therefore, the change from "the highest" to "one of the highest". Even this edit isn't fully accurate given that the referenced article makes no specific mention of Ph.D.s per capita.

[edit] Replacing Chapel Hill with Cary?

(also posted on the talk page for AgnosticPreachersKid)

This is in reference to the recent change: 20:58, 16 April 2008 AgnosticPreachersKid (Talk | contribs) (36,319 bytes) (changed to cary; the new CSA title doesn't include Chapel Hill)

Granted that the US Census defined CSA has changed from Chapel Hill to Cary because of population, however, please consider:

  • The area was originally so named because of its location at the center of the triangle formed by the three major research universities in the area -- Duke (Durham), NCSU (Raleigh) and UNC-Chapel Hill (Chapel Hill).

Isn't the statement defining the CSA in the article section Cities adequate coverage of the differences between the area as defined by the government for statistical purposes and the area as it is historically known and as it is self-defined? Thank you. --Hennap (talk) 05:08, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Replied here. APK yada yada 05:26, 18 April 2008 (UTC)