Talk:The Sword of Doom
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"The ending of the film is one of the most famous (and longest) sword fight scenes on film. The film ends abruptly to make a point about the eternal struggle of Good versus Evil."
No, I've heard that the source material goes on quite a bit more than what is shown in the film, and it probably ends appruptly because it isn't the entire story. They probably planned to make sequels. --Havermayer 03:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
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- The "abrupt" ending of the film is due to the fact that it was originally intended to be the first part in a trilogy of films based on the historical novel by Kaizan Nakazato. As I mentioned in the article, the 41 volume novel encompassing 1533 chapters and over 5.7 million Japanese characters was considered as the largest novel in Japan until the publication of Sohachi Yamaoka's 40 volume serialized novel Tokugawa Ieyasu with 10 million characters which is considered as the longest novel ever written.--Cyril Thomas 19:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
"Ryunosuke is first seen when he kills an elderly Buddhist pilgrim for no reason and with no apparent feeling. Later, he deliberately kills an opponent in a fencing competition that was intended to be non-lethal."
He kills the pilgrim because the pilgrim is praying for death. The pilgrim thinks he is a burden on his granddaughter's life and wants to die so that she can go on to other things. Also, Ryunosuke kills his opponent because the opponent uses an illegal technique that is meant to kill Ryunosuke. In the beginning of the film, Ryunosuke isn't evil so much as without morals. His incredible power drives him slowly insane and his insanity and disregard for all other human life certainly appears evil to those around him. That he is so disturbed by Takahashi's comments about an evil soul is a sign that he hasn't contemplated the fact that he might be evil until then. --Ghisteslwchlohm 15:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
- I'm with you on this Ghisteslwchlohm.
Ryunosuke kills his opponent because the opponent uses an illegal technique that is meant to kill Ryunosuke.
Got that right.
- I think it's clear the old man doesn't really want to die, he's just making that prayer out of a sense that it's the pious thing to do, and Ryunosuke uses this as a flimsy excuse to kill for the sake of killing. And in the fencing match, my interpretation is that he kills his opponent purely because he knows he can get away with it. He knows the other man will be provoked into making an illegal attack, and so his lethal counter attack will be (somewhat) accepted. As for the "an evil soul is an evil sword" line, I've always wondered what the best translation of that is. I believe the implication is that "an evil soul means a sword (i.e. a skill at swordsmanship) that is imperfect (i.e., can be defeated). and Ryunosuke, knowing that he is evil, sees this as a declaration that he can and will be defeated. It would be interesting to get a native Japanese speaker's comment on the translation of that line. KarlBunker 16:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
I think that this article could use a lot of editing, but i dont know if it oculd be done without adding too much opinion, so maybe the article should discuss multiple viewpoints. heres an interesting essay to start out with as a reference (http://www.criterion.com/asp/release.asp?id=280&eid=405§ion=essay)Deepfriedpuppys 03:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Trivia
[edit] Mountain Pass
The Japanese original title, "Dai-bosatsu tōge" is a name of the real-life mountain pass, which exists in Chichibu Tama Kai National Park, Kōshū, Yamanashi prefecture. (If you understand Japanese language, see also 大菩薩峠.) Literally this name means "Great Bodhisattva (not Buddha but Bodhisattva) Mountain Pass".
[edit] Novel
Partially translated from 大菩薩峠 (小説) by ゐ, Nnh, さららゆら, DOERAX, のりたま et al. at 23h57, 2007-05-17 (UTC).
This film is based on a long and unfinished novel titled "Dai-bosatsu tōge" written by Nakazato Kaizan (中里介山, b. April 4, 1885-d. April 28, 1944). It was a serial story in several newspapers which has lasted for nearly thirty years, from 1913 to 1941. Nakazato wanted to describe human's Karma with this novel and called this work, "a Mahayana novel".
[edit] Films
Translated from 大菩薩峠 (曖昧さ回避) by ゐ and l-hi at 18h28, 2007-03-24 (UTC).
In Japan there's a dozen of films titled "Dai-bosatsu tōge".
- Nikkatsu
- 1935-1936 (2 films)
- starring Ōkouchi Denjiro (大河内傳次郎)
- directed by Inagaki Hiroshi
- Toei Company
- 1953 (a series of 3 films)
- starring Kataoka Chiezō
- directed by Watanabe Kunio (渡辺邦男)
- 1957-1959 (a series of 3 films, remake)
- starring Kataoka Chiezō
- directed by Uchida Tomu (内田吐夢)
- Daiei Motion Picture Company
- 1960-1961 (3 films)
- starring Ichikawa Raizo
- directed by Misumi Kenji (三隅研次, two films in 1960) and Mori Kazuo (森一生, a film in 1961)
- Toho
- 1966
- starring Nakadai Tatsuya
- directed by Okamoto Kihachi
Note: I put their family names first and then their given names. Compiled and (roughly) translated by HannaLi 00:32, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
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