Talk:The Sun (New York)

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[edit] Naming

It is abundantly clear from the Wikipedia:Naming conventions guideline that the proper title of the article is New York Sun (historical), not The New York Sun (historical). See, for instance, the following excerpt from that guideline page:

[edit] Avoid the definite article ("the") and the indefinite article ("a"/"an") at the beginning of the page name

Convention: If the definite or indefinite article would be capitalized in running text, then include it at the beginning of the page name. This would be the case for the title of a work such as a novel. Otherwise, do not include it at the beginning of the page name.

Examples: "Netherlands" instead of "The Netherlands", or "Punisher" instead of "The Punisher". Exceptions: "The Gambia", The Hague, The Cheat, The Old Man and the Sea

Rationale, specifics and exceptions: See: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (definite and indefinite articles at beginning of name)

—DCGeist 06:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

On the contrary, as the talk pages of various other newspapers' articles would suggest, the WP:NCD conventions for newspapers say to use the "the" if that's part of the newspaper's official name. The standard for "official" use, from what I've been able to find, is the name printed at the top of the front page: thus, compare the article titles and front-page images of The New York Times and The Boston Globe, versus New York Post and Chicago Tribune. Not to mention the current The New York Sun and The Baltimore Sun, both of which use nameplates on their front pages very similar to the historic N.Y. Sun's. I suggest this page be moved to "The New York Sun (historical)" or "The Sun (New York) (historical)," if you can do it that way. Wiki Wistah 17:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Exactly: my original move came as by-product of the tequested move for modern The New York Sun. As you noted, those cases are explicitly listed as an exception from the more general rule. And, in this article's case, "The" prominently stands at the newspaper's cover. Duja► 10:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)