Talk:The Station nightclub fire

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[edit] Q&A

The owner is Jeffrey A. Derderian, the reporter is Jeff Derderian? Are these two the same or is there some error?

They are the same person. --matt kane's brain 17:40, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Just a question about this line

     On December 9, 2003, the two owners of the nightclub,
   Jeffrey A. and Michael A. Derderian, and Daniel M. Biechele, the band's former road manager, 
   were charged with 200 counts of involuntary manslaughter — two per death.

Why was he charged with 2 counts per death? It seems a bit strange. --Doom Child 03:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The Derderians face two counts of involuntary manslaughter, which involves an unintentional killing, for each person who died in the fire because they were indicted under two separate theories of the crime. One theory, called criminal-negligence manslaughter, results from a legal act in which the accused ignores the risks to others and someone is killed. The other theory, called misdemeanor manslaughter, results from a petty crime that causes a death. Despite the term misdemeanor manslaughter, both forms of involuntary manslaughter are felonies under Rhode Island law, punishable by up to 30 years in prison. Biechele was sentenced on only 100 counts of manslaughter because the U.S. Constitution's double jeopardy clause bars punishing a person twice for the same crime. If found guilty, the Derderians, likewise, could only be sentenced on a maximum of 100 counts. Source: www.projo.com --NGC6254 09:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ty Longley

Should this article specifically mention the death of Great White band member Ty Longley? BD2412 T 14:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I think that mentioning the fact that the Great White guitarist Ty Longley died in the incident is appropriate and reasonable because of his celebrity status and obvious tie to the event.

[edit] Usage of word "crush"

To whomever changed the word "crush" to "rush": "Crush" is the word I intended (see definition below) in the phrase "crush for the door."

Main Entry: Crush

Function: noun

1 : an act of crushing 2 : the quantity of material crushed 3 a : a crowding together (as of people) b : CROWD, MOB; especially : a crowd of people pressing against one another 4 : an intense and usually passing infatuation <have a crush on someone>; also : the object of infatuation synonym see CROWD

(Source: www.m-w.com)

-NGC6254 04:51, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Status of "The Doctor" (introduced Great White on stage)

According to the WHJY-FM website one of the airstaff "The Doctor" who introduced Great White on stage Thursday is among the missing.

His BIO is at this link: http://www.whjy.com/doctor.html

PMelvilleAustin 03:54 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Caption?

There's no caption on the "Stationfirestart" image, and there's no info on the page for the image. I'm not familiar with that picture, so I don't know what's going on. Can anyone clarify and perhaps add a caption? -Etoile 07:18, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Mention Of Fire Code Violations

I think that the fact that there were inadequate emergency exits and that other exits may have been purposefully chained and locked should be included.

Factual reporting of the fire code violations would serve as a reminder to other nightclub etc owners of the need for safety rather than just preventing people from entering without paying.

[edit] Victims

I think it would be appropriate to list the names of those that died, and survived. M8gen

[edit] Barry Warner

What about the foam salesman Barry Warner? I thought that I read an article that claimed that (1) he was a neighbor of The Station, (2) he complained about the noise, (3) he sold the foam to the owners, and then (4) sent the "anonymous" fax to prosecutors. Did he get off scott free? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.55.200.20 (talk) 16:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

[edit] "Referenced in" section removed

I have removed the section titled "Referenced in," for three reasons:

It was not referenced.
Its relevance to the article was not established, since there references mentioned were to nightclub fires in general, not specifically to this one. (Thus it could also have been considered original research.)
Such collections of cultural references, as a general rule, do not add to the knowledge of a subject. See Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles.

Anyone wishing to dispute this action is welcome to comment here. Chick Bowen 20:06, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removing "The Station Fire Memorial Foundation" section

On the basis that Wikipedia is not a memorial or a soapbox WP:NOT#MEMORIAL, WP:NOT#SOAPBOX I'm going to remove this whole section. There are too many names involved for that list to be encyclopaedic, and the text below is definitely not a neutral point of view. MorganaFiolett 10:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

On second thoughts, and with a little more time, I've replaced the section but re-phrased the text to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view, and still left the list out. This decision is based on this discussion here- that may be asking specifically about IRA bombing victims but the debate is over the same thing, whether a list of names is encyclopaedic or not. I would invite anyone with more time or more knowledge on the memorial foundation to add details, but they must stay neutral as that's one of the five pillars of Wikipedia. MorganaFiolett 14:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
MorganaFiolett, I agree with your editing of that section. I straightened out a lot of bad coding, grammar and spelling errors. The memorial section was totally out of place in the second section and so I moved it to the 5th spot. I agree in your decision to edit that section even further. It did seem as if it were using Wikipedia as advertising space. Wolf1728 06:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 4th deadliest

The article states this was the 4th deadliest nightclub fire in the U.S. What were the top three? Arx Fortis 16:48, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

1. Coconut Grove, Boston, 1942--492 dead
2. Rhythm Night Club, Natchez, Miss., 1940--209 dead
3. Beverly Hills Supper Club, Southgate, Ky., 1977--165 dead DragonflyDC 00:39, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...I see it in the article now. I'm wondering if the mentions of the other three it should be moved to the intro or somewhere a little more prominent (if only because saying the 4th deadliest makes one wonder what the other three were). ++Arx Fortis 06:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed paragraph mentioning outside rail

I have removed the below paragraph, because it is not relevant to this event. The blockage of those exiting the building occurred at and was due to the narrow hallway leading to the main entrance.

Also the blueprints show that the entryway to the nightclub had a ramp which blocked off a straight exitway through the door. When exiting the building, one would have to exit either right or left because the building was constructed to lead two entry ways with the handrail running parallel with the building.

- NGC6254 01:49, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] station nightclub section deleted

I deleted this section for 2 reasons:

1. It was small and said things that the main article said

2. It needed cited and it was probably going to get deleted anyway

Coolgyingman 00:47, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Biechelemug.jpg

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JESSIKA WAS HERE! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.52.99 (talk) 20:49, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

BetacommandBot (talk) 18:12, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] the station

it's sad that people had lost people in their families. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panthers13 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)