Talk:The Space Trilogy

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Does the eldila article need to be moved here? --JerryFriedman 22:36, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I would vote "yes"; it's hard to imagine that the eldila article could ever be expanded beyond a stub, so it's probably better as a subsection of this article. I would think the same applies for Hrossa, Seroni and Pfifltriggi too, come to think of it. — Matt 22:46, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Just as two points make a line, two votes make a consensus. :-) My feeling is that we could shorten the glossary, since some of the terms are defined more fully in the eldila article. However, now that you mention the Hrossa etc., I'd put those under Out of the Silent Planet, since they're not in any of the other books. Maybe with a heading. --JerryFriedman 00:42, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Well, I gave it a shot. I'm not satisfied with the repetition of information between the Eldila section and the glossary. Maybe we should delete the "Eldil" and "Oyarsa" entries in the glossary (and in that case the mention of Christian terminology too) and then "Oyarsa" under Out of the Silent Planet should link to the Eldila section.

Also, it seems to me that all the Oyéresu, not just Mars and Venus, resemble the corresponding gods or the astrological versions of the planets. Maybe that line should be changed. --JerryFriedman 01:25, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Lewis states it quite explicitly in "Hideous Strength". Speciffically he mentions that Jupiter (I don't remember his Old Solar name) is so majestic that it is no surprise that the old Greeks and Romans confused him with God. Adam Keller

Good point (and I don't remember Jupiter's name either, but Google tells me it's Glund).
However, though I thought your speculations on a possible fourth book were interesting and reasonable, I don't think they belong here. I'm going to delete them unless you or somebody convince me not to. "Wikipedia is a neutral and unbiased compilation of notable, verifiable facts", not of speculations. If they're published in some peer-reviewed place, we could mention them, though I'd argue that it should be in a very brief summary if at all. —JerryFriedman 23:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
If you're referring to The Dark Tower, then it is certainly a "fourth book." It's concepts, as well as several characters (Ransom, for example). However, it is more likely that The Dark Tower was intended as a sequel to the first book - Out of the Silent Planet, written before (and separately from) the remainder of the series - than as a continuation of the trilogy. This view is backed up by Walter Cooper's preface to "The Dark Tower and Other Stories," (copyright 1977, published by Harcourt Books) page 8, when he states that "I believe . . . he had in mind the possibility of a sequel to Out of the Silent Planet in which Ransom would play some part and in which time-travel would figure pretty largely - as is evidenced by the obvious tie-up between the alst sentence of Out of the Silent Planet and the opening sentence of The Dark Tower." --Tim4christ17 09:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
No, the section I deleted was about a possible book set on the moon, including the destruction of the moon prophesied in the Book of Revelation. You can see the section if you look back at the history. The Dark Tower (1977 novel) is mentioned in the article. —JerryFriedman 20:50, 24 April 2006 (UTC)


Minor language edit ZPS102 01:37, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

I think some of this article needs to be rearanged. There has to be some indication of what "field of arbol" and whatnot is before you start reading about how the universe is setup.

[edit] Merges?

I have tagged Oyarsa and Hnau as possible merges back into this page. I don't think they stand effectively on their own. What say you all? —ScouterSig 23:07, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

There are instances elsewhere in Wikipedia, where literary works, and the fictional universes in which they are set, have separate entries. I'm thinking here of the entries for Oceania (Nineteen Eighty-Four), Middle-earth, Land of Oz and Earthsea.
An entry along these lines for the Field of Arbol could incorporate and merge many of the existing stubs relating to the space-trilogy. Josephus (talk) 03:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
This article doesn't seem so extensive that it could not be included here. Certainly anyone looking for information on Lewis' fictional solar system is likely to go first to articles on his books or series, rather than to fictional place names. And other than Malacandra and Perelandra, the planets that is, there isn't enough material for a detailed treatment.
I suggest retaining Malacandra and Perelandra as separate articles; put all material regarding sorns, hrossa, pfifltriggi etc. under Malacandra; and put any general material on hnau or eldila or oyeresu in the overall Space Trilogy article.RandomCritic (talk) 02:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
The flaw in the above suggestion is that Malacandra does not exist as a separate article, but only as a redirect to The Space Trilogy, if there is insufficient material for a Field of Arbol page there is no logic in having separate pages for worlds within that setting, which could be incorporated into a single page for the whole system.
While it may be true that many would first go to the overall Space Trilogy article, not all of these will be interested in a detailed discussion of the setting. For that reason it makes sense to have a literary account of the books, and a separate link from there to the settings.
Also fictional treatments of the solar system as a whole, which give a whole alternate nomenclature for the planets are sufficiently scarce to justify a more developed treatment of this particular example. Josephus (talk) 00:18, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Could all the minor information be merged into the Arbol article? Then there would be three "sets" of articles: 1) The books, anchored by the main series page, 2) the characters (Ransom and Weston), and 3) The Field of Arbol, which would include all of the information on hnau, eldil, oyarsa, planet names, etc. That would stabilize the information and inter-linking between pages. —ScouterSig 15:44, 25 April 2008 (UTC)