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I don't see a reason why this movie is classified as propaganda. I will remove this word from the article. Loool (talk) 18:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you for your corrections. But I think it is more correct to classify this film as propaganda since it's much more closer to the definition of propaganda film than to that of documentary film in wikipedia. Specifically, "A propaganda film is a film, either a documentary-style production or a fictional screenplay, that is produced to convince the viewer of a certain political point or influence the opinions or behavior of people, often by providing deliberately misleading, propagandistic content." The following key points from this definition can be identified in the film (please excuse me if the following arguments sound not encyclopedic, the discussion page is not a wikipedia article, so I use somewhat less neutral language):
- providing deliberately misleading, propagandistic content - see Section Controversies.
- convince the viewer of a certain political point - while the first part of the film pictures several historians (although their scientific reputation was reported to be very poor, I will try to find and incorporate direct link to a paper describing this), the second part features several contemporary Latvian politians presenting their own political views towards modern Russia.
- influence the opinions or behavior of people - the demonstration of the military personnel of Nazi Germany and USSR is followed by with mass-meeting of so-called Vlasovzi (members of Russian Liberation Army supporting Nazi Regime), which has no clue with the USSR military personnel being actually Nazi servants.
- How this facts can be connected with documentary film which is "based on the attempt, in one fashion or another, to "document" reality" (the definition in wikipedia)? 129.173.66.208 (talk) 20:34, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
- Nice. Instead of writing answers to questions posted here someone has just locked the article writing Documentary with Large first letter. Indeed, it's a Great Documentary with lots of faked facts and pictures ;) Speaking seriously, I think it was enough just to undo the change with propaganda on history page. 24.222.199.65 (talk) 18:49, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] RS? OR?
Since when do David Irving's musings about what constitutes a real historical source and Dyukov's footnoteless whitewashes of Stalinism count as WP:RS? Furthermore, the cited sources date from years before this film was released. As it stands now, the "Controversy" section is WP:OR (i.e., a "synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position") attacking the film, rather than a description of what the critical public discourse regarding The Soviet Story actually is (such as, for example, the inexplicably deleted material about the protest by "Young Russia" was). —Zalktis (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, I see the problem. Actually, all the arguments in this section were published in Russian press. I just summarized these publication and added original sources. I will find these publications and add references to them. Considering sources dated before this film was released - it's a nonsense. The film ignores some publicly available historical facts which were published decades before the film was released. Should we wait before these sources will be published once more time to use them? I think, we also need to restore the material about the Young Russia response. I also agree with your sceptisism considering the credibility of David Irving and A. Dyukov. 129.173.66.208 (talk) 16:15, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- I will find more sources considering the reaction of the public to the film and incorporate it in the "Controversy" section. Basically, all recent reactions tend to list the same facts I have already included in the article, so please do not erase them while I'm looking for recently published sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.173.66.208 (talk) 16:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- I have included a reference to a publication in Izvestia, "a long-running high-circulation daily newspaper in Russia" as one can read in wikipedia. This publication includes all the facts that I've included in the "Controversy" section and is published AFTER the film was screened in European parliament. If you have any questions, PLEASE write them here before editing MY text in the "Controversy". I'm very limited in free time and invested considerable amount of it in the article. I'm also shocked with the level of 'documentality' of this film and will do my best to publish as much as possible verifiable and precise information abouth this film in wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.173.66.208 (talk) 17:27, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
