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WikiProject Musical Theatre tasks: Help out with one of the WikiProject Musical Theatre tasks below. You may add your name to the Participants list to the right. edit this Open Tasks template Collaborate and work on the Collaboration of the Month Articles needing a content fork Mainly, these are articles on films and either their source or subsequent musicals. There are a couple where the musical needs to be "forked" from the source material. Feel free to add or remove as necessary. Important: If you split an article, please make sure that you move all the relevant links from the first article to the new one. To find which links to move, click on "What links here" at the old article and look through the list to see which links should be pointed to the film related link (for example, articles on actors in the film). Then, click on those links and update them to point to the film article. Thanks! Don't Play Us Cheap Roberta How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying I Married an Angel Lady in the Dark The Band Wagon - musical adaptation will to be forked after it opens in April.

To 62.60.53.50 ;

I accept that I had it wrong about the film and the orange crate error. ( I wrote it nbefore I joined the wikipedia 'crew') However, I felt that your wording about Israel was not NPOV enough. I reworded it accordingly. No anti-Israel message is intended. - Arno

Did Austria even have a navy at the time of the alleged events depicted in the story?

Georg Ritter von Trapp served in the navy of Austria-Hungary during World War I. The old empire had a coastline on the eastern Adriatic which included what are now Slovenia, Croatia, and Dalmatia. knoodelhed 11:58, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 the sound of music 2 Versions 3 The "Trivia" section ... 4 Song Listing 5 Intersting LP Album 6 Malaysian "Sound of Music on Ice" 7 Maria von Trapp in the DVD 8 Film plot outline 9 Article Split 10 Musical Unknown in Austria -Trivia Section- 11 The 1991 Japanese Animation version 12 2006 production 13 Spam link 14 Title 15 "Austrian DVD Cover" 16 right (German) vs. left (Austria before 1934-8) side traffic 17 Feasibility of travel through the Alps? 18 Small sections trivia 19 Hack 20 Fair use rationale for Image:Sound-of-Music-Australian-production.jpg 21 Cultural references? 22 HomeWork Part 1: 23 HomeWork Part 2:

[edit] the sound of music

the sound of music is a great movie. it is a great movie to people who are into music. it is a bit like marry poppins but has its own storie line. it is such along movie so you will have to be prepared to sit for along time and be able to what it.

  it took me a while to get into the story line but i soon did.

i think any age can watch it from young children to old adult.

[edit] Versions

What was the year of the Australian production mentioned in the article? There was an original Australian production (quite separate, obviously, from the one mentioned here) in 1961 (or thereabouts) that starred June Bronhill as Maria and featured Rosina Raisbeck as the Mother Abbess - both, incidentally, possessors of good, trained operatic voices. It opened at the Princess Theatre in Melbourne and later transferred to Sydney. There was a cast recording. It would be worth adding this production to the list of versions discussed. ChristopherW, 28 May 2006

The sound of Music is a Great movie. It's can teach you alot. But If you are wanting to do a project on " The sound of Music here is the Producers cause It took me forever to find. Leland Hayward and Richard Halliday. I think that rest of your info. is in the rest. So good luck!

[edit] The "Trivia" section ...

... has become a bit tiresome to read, there seems to be no structure whatsoever, and several passages can no longer be understood by the average reader. Could I ask those of you who know what this is all about to improve those passages?

• (1) What's all that about a "sausage factory"?
• (2) Why are the names of the von Trapp children mentioned here, in the Trivia section?
• (3) I don't understand a single word of the final paragraph. Why is this mentioned here at all? <KF> 19:58, September 4, 2005 (UTC)

• I share your sentiment with regards to the trivia section. I think it might be better if the following was added to the section that describes the movie as it directly relates to the description of the movie:

In 2001 the United States Library of Congress deemed the film "culturally significant" and selected it for preservation in the National Film Registry.

According to boxofficemojo, the film ranks third in both all-time number of tickets sold (142,415,400) and in gross adjusted for inflation ($911,458,400) in North America (behind Gone with the Wind and Star Wars) Combine this with its success around the world in sales of tickets, videocassettes, laserdiscs, DVDs and its frequent airings on television, it is called "the most widely seen movie produced by a Hollywood studio" by Amazon.uk

I wouldn't really consider that "trivial" information.

I don't agree with the statement:

In fact, the musical itself is virtually unknown in the country, except in backpacker's hostels in Salzburg, where it is screened daily on DVD.

When I traveled throughout western Austria (Salzburg, Innsbruck, ... etc.) in 1983, everyone I met liked The Sound Of Music very much. I never asked anyone about the edelweiss tune, but I doubt anyone could object to it. I submit that the whole first bullet under "Trivia" is either exagerated or too nit-picky.

• A little anecdote, hardly representative, but perhaps amusing: A few years ago, some German colleagues (not Austrian, but from both ends of Germany), came to the USA for a meeting. We went to a German restaurant where an accordionist wandered about the room, taking requests. One request was "Edelweiss". My German colleagues had never heard it before. Then he played "Yesterday". That, they knew. Wahkeenah 03:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
• Regarding Richard Rodgers' "sausage factory" comment, it was his way of saying that the film is noticeably high-quality from the get-go, as compared with a lot of the presumed "assembly line" kind of product that Hollywood generated then (and still does). I'd have thought that was clear. Perhaps I need to explain his comment for those who don't get it? Wahkeenah 03:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll add something to my comment above (about the popularity of The Sound Of Music and the tune edelweiss) that might or might not be pertinent. When I was in the haufbrau house in Munich, they asked the various people at tables where they were from and announced through a mike each group's nationality while playing the corresponding national anthem. For the USA they played "America The Beautiful" lol. And oddly enough most Germans I brought it up to consider that to be the USA national anthem. From my googling around, it appears to be the case that Hammerstein made up the edelweiss song and that it certainly was never a national anthem for any place. I wonder why it is so strongly implied to be a regional folk tune in the movie? I was surprised by my google results. So *that* part (about edelweiss) should probably be kept - and maybe even expanded on.

Regarding the rest of my comment, I recall that the subject of The Sound Of Music really only came up around Salzburg when I was visiting the various places where the movie was filmed. And so my experience was probably highly biased.

I was just coming here to say that the trivia section is too long. If no-one objects I will strip out some of the really trivial trivia.

I also think we should remove the statement about Reagan playing Edelweiss, as a) it's exactly the sort of story that gets repeated without being fact-checked b) the White House has whole departments for researching national anthems of visiting dignitaries, and don't rely on the memories of their presidents. DJ Clayworth 15:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I support the criticisms of the trivia section here. Is the fact that Gwen Sefani used the movie as a basis for her music video really something people need to know who are interested in the Sound of Music musical? I mean, who put that in there, her publicist? One might as well link to her in the article of the Sistine Chapel with the comment that she visited there once.

Stephanis music video really isn't relevant to the topic. She didnt contribute anything to the Sound of Music musical or its legacy. Moreover, this article is about the musical performances, not the movie, and a comment about her sampling of a Sound of Music song appears in the trivia on the film article as well. Her butchering of the delightful R&H tune is something like spray painting a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

LuckyDan 12:50, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Ditto with the Family Guy comment. A tricycle running over Julie Andrews in the cartoon is not relevant. Its not even good satire.

LuckyDan 13:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Song Listing

How about one? 66.131.199.150, 02:13, 6 October 2005

• What's stopping you? Wahkeenah 03:35, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

The list of songs looks like it's from the film, not the show. Can anyone check? Bluewave 10:42, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intersting LP Album

I seem to have an Intersting LP Album for the Sound of Music that does not seem to correspond to any of the versions listed in the Article...

It lists the cast as:

• Maria Rainer (Maria) ... Adele Leigh (Who Isnt in Wikipedia Article and google dosent seen to dinf much about her)
• Captain von Trapp ... Ian Wallace
• Max Detweiler .. Willain Dickie
• Rolf Gruber ... Peter Gilmore
• The Mother Abbess: Patrica Johnson
• Elsa Schrader ... Maggie Fitzgibbon
• Liesl ... Patrica Lynn
• The von Trapp Children ... The Aida Foster Children

and others

The track Listing is:

Side One

• Prelude and The Sound of Music ... Adele Leigh and girls chorus
• Maria ... Patricia Johnson, Barbara Elsy, Pauline Stevens and
• My Favourite Things ... Adele Leigh and Patricia Johnson
• Do-Re-Mi ... Adele Leigh and children
• Sixteen Going On Seventeen ... Peter Gilmore and Patricia Lynn
• The Lonely Goatherd .. -. Adele Leigh and girls chorus

Side Two

• How Can Love Survive ... Maggie Fitzgibbon and William Dickie
• Climb Ev'ry Mountain ... Patricia Johnson and chorus
• No Way To Stop It ...Ian Wallace, William Dickie and Maggie Fitzgibbon
• An Ordinary Couple ... Adele Leigh and Ian Wallace
• Edelweiss ... Ian Wallace
• Finale ... Chorus

The record is made by World Record International, with addreses in Sydney, Meblourne, Perth and Adelade, but ot has no date, or any Copyright notices. On the Record itself it las the label Light Music Club, World Stereo.

If anyone knows anything about it, pls reply. Also if you want more info, my talk page is there! -- KaiAdin 10:26, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Malaysian "Sound of Music on Ice"

I've removed the section under the list of productions relating to the Malaysian ice performance. It sounds like a one-off performance, so I don't think it belongs here. And as discussed above, the "trivia" section has been trimmed down, so I don't think we should be re-adding more trivia. Also, I find it odd that the entry was quite vague: "The students of an ice skating academy" - which ice skating academy? Why not name it?

If other editors disagree and think it should be re-inserted, I do think that a source should be found for purposes of verifiability, and I remain unconvinced that it's notable enough for inclusion in this article. CLW 09:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Maria von Trapp in the DVD

I just searched my DVD of S of M for the scene the Wikipedia article describes in which the real Maria and her daugher and granddaughter appear on an arch during the song "I Feel Confidence". Wasn't there as far as I can tell. I also listened to the director's comments during the scene to see if he mentions it and he doesn't. It seems to me that I remember seeing online a still from the scene, but don't know where I saw it, and I didn't notice it while watching (sporadically) the movie with my son. Is it perhaps in another scene?

It's there, but you wouldn't notice it unless someone had pointed it out to you. Don't have the movie handy, but in the shot right before she goes to the fountain and runs her hand through it, there's an arch in the background. Maria von Trapp and her kin are underneath that arch. But it's not noticeable, it's way in the background. It's just a nice tidbit. --Fbv65edel ^{(discuss | contribs)} 03:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

A small error in the trivia section: It says that Julie Andrews tripped while filming, and they left it in (at the end of the "confidence" scene). The director says on the dvd that she tripped during rehearsal and they told her to leave it in for the filming. 24.127.101.24 20:33, 26 March 2006 (UTC)Nanci

[edit] Film plot outline

This section appears to have been corrupted. The synopsis stops halfway, and a list of the child actors then follows, poorly formatted. I'm unwilling to make any major changes because I'm relatively new to editing pages. johnboy 23:04, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I fixed it on the 21st. Goodnight, johnboy (just had to say that). Clarityfiend 06:36, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The present version of the article says that Maria began to doubt her calling. Actually, that is backwards. As the movie makes clear, it was the Abbey that doubted whether Maria was an appropriate candidate.

130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)John Paul Parks130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article Split

I am trying to split this article into The Sound of Music which focuses solely on the broadway musical, and The Sound of Music (film) which will focus solely on the 1965 film. I started to do this yesterday but apparently some sections were lost in the move so the work was reverted. I guess this time we can focus on not losing any sections of information in the process.

[edit] Musical Unknown in Austria -Trivia Section-

It states that the Musical is relativly unknown in Austria, im not sure this is true because when I visted Austria in the late 90's my family and I went on a Sound Of Music tour, where we went on a bus ride visiting different places shown in the film and also places from the original story. So if people are making money out of it as a tourist attraction I find it hard to beleive it is unknown there. Woldo 12:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, of course there's a tour, because tourists know it and want to see the places. But, I, as an Austrian, have never seen the film or heard any of the songs, and neither has any of my friends. Oszillodrom 18:02, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

This would then class as Original Research. Reference the fact or it doesn't belong there, this is an example of what wikipedia is not. Woldo 23:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess that would be original research (yours) vs. original research (mine). But I think we can try to agree on something and then try to verify it with a reference.Oszillodrom 13:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I found a reference, but I don't know if it is valid in Wiki (I'm a bit of a newbie). [1] (from the association for art of the city of Salzburg): "What is especially peculiar about its success is that one of the most famous pieces of film history is almost unknown in Austria, its place of origin. When it reached the cinemas in Europe it completely flopped in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. In Salzburg, the film had to be removed from the programme after just three days." Oszillodrom 13:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I have to agree with your reference, it seems all good, so if you would care to place the link in the main article where neccesary youll be helping wikipedia. Thanks mate Woldo 09:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I have added the reference, but I don't know how to include it with the other references. Somebody please fix this. Oszillodrom 21:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The 1991 Japanese Animation version

Does anyone know any more about the Nippon Animation series? I suspect that this was based on the story of the family, but had no other links to the musical. Would they have been licensed to use the songs or script? Rojomoke 10:42, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 2006 production

This is becoming similar to a gossip column about the minute changes and goings-on of this latest revival. Is it necessary? The show hasn't even opened yet! May I suggest it be split off into a separate article for devotees of such gossip? Orbicle 10:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spam link

I would say the link to the box office of a current production is irrelevant and merely spam. Any thoughts? Sam Hayes 23:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Totally agree. I think the entire section about the 2006 revival is equally irrelevant, apart from the merest mention of it. See my comment above. Orbicle 11:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

As are the comments about Gwen Sefani also advertising for her new album. Probably her publicist put them there. Stephanis "song" (for lack of a better word) really isn't relevant to the topic. She didnt contribute anything to the Sound of Music or its legacy.

LuckyDan 12:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

I thought the title of this was "the hill are alive with the sound of music" or is that one of the songs? Simply south 14:05, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Austrian DVD Cover"

It says "Austrian DVD Cover" under the picture of the DVD Cover. So why is the text on it in English then? Doesn't make any sense, does it? --193.171.131.249 18:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Surely there shouldn't be a picture of the DVD to the film on the page about stage productions? Jonks 12:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] right (German) vs. left (Austria before 1934-8) side traffic

Before German occupation, Austrians drove on the left side of the road, generally in cars with the steering wheel on the right. Germans drove on the right, with the steering wheel on the left, and forced Austria to reverse its rules of the road during the mid-1930s. In the movie, note the appropriate contrast between the von Trapp family's big Mercedes touring car, with its steering wheel on the right, and the two cars driven by the German soldiers, with the steering wheel on the left. Nice touch! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.36.44.98 (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2007 (UTC).

Can you cite any independent source for your statement that Hitler changed them over from the left side of the road to right? Such a change causes a huge dislocation and adjustment. It seems to me that Hitler would have been far more interested in securing order than in engaging in a disruption like that.

130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)John Paul Parks130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:52, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Feasibility of travel through the Alps?

Can someone clear up the feasibility of foot travel through the Alps?

Having never been to Europe, I am limited to what was shown in the first ten minutes of the movie, and in the closing ten minutes. It appears, at least on the surface, to be impossible or exceedingly hazardous to travel to Switzerland from Austria unless one had done it before, and knew in advance the appropriate trails to take. Am I laboring under a false impression? For instance, the first ten minutes of the movie show a panorama of very rugged mountains punctuated with a variety of one and two thousand foot cliffs. This is far from a Sunday picnic. Guiding a family of seven through those mountains would have to have been a daunting task. How on earth could it be done? I and my mom just watched the movie for the first time this evening, and I opined that the screenwriter must have intended for the entire family to perish in the snowy hills beyond the crest of the first mountain encountered.

Sure, the real Trapp family survived, but did the screenwriter intend for the family to have perished in the snow?

The main article could be improved if a map were included indicating the probably route to be taken, were this all to have happened as it did in the movie. 198.177.27.19 10:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Maybe this information from the article on the film, not the musical, can answer your question: "While the von Trapp family hiked over the Alps to Switzerland in the movie, in reality they walked to the local train station and boarded the next train to Italy. From Italy, they fled to London and ultimately the U.S. [2] Salzburg is in fact only a few miles away from the Austrian-German border, and is much too far from either the Swiss or Italian borders for a family to escape by walking. Had the von Trapps hiked over the mountains, they would have ended up in Germany, near Hitler's mountain retreat." So no map of this fictional route could be made. --VirtualDelight 11:27, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

This is one of those places where the screenwriter goofed. If you look on a map, you will see that, to get to Switzerland from Austria, you would have to pass through Germany first! That would not be very bright if you are trying to escape from the Nazis.

This entire portion of the movie is fiction, though. The real von Trapps did not "escape" from the Nazis. When the occupation came, they decided to seek economic opportunities elsewhere. Instead of escaping, they merely boarded the train and headed to Italy. From there, they went to the rest of Europe, and to London, and then to New York.

130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)John Paul Parks130.13.0.75 (talk) 14:55, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Small sections trivia

A couple of small sections in the article, like the "Early films" section and the "Authenticity" section ought to go into some other section or even be deleted. There also seems to be too much trivia. On the other hand, the synopsis ought to be expanded somewhat. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 03:22, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm slowly going through this article, re-writing where I think needed (as in the background), combining Trivia where I can, etc. I added an important (to me) plot point--that of raising the children. I'd like to see a few songs added into the plot, I think that usually demonstrates a point better than text. More later.JeanColumbia 12:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hack

Somebody hacked this voice...(see the first sentence) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.193.52.64 (talk) 22:55, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Sound-of-Music-Australian-production.jpg

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I added a fair use summary. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:29, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural references?

It appears to me, most of the references are more for the film version rather than the musical. Should this section be rewritten, deleted or something else ? Master Redyva ♠ —Preceding comment was added at 06:34, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the cultural reference section should focus on references to the show, not the movie. Also, it should explain in narrative paragraphs how the cultural references are relevant to the article, rather than simply being a list of references. Feel free to dig into it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I have deleted the section for three reasons:

1. It was not well documented and contained some non-factual information.

2. It was not well written.

3.It focused on the movie rather than the show.

Master Redyva ♠17:24, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Don't just delete stuff. Find the references. The first item is adequately referenced, and the other material refers to particular media items that are matters of record, so it is verifiable. What information is "nonfactual?" Discuss before deleting. If not well written, please improve the writing. -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:18, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Which of the "cultural references" referenece the musical rather than the movie?Master Redyva ♠

They all say that they reference the musical, and the editors who put them into this article believed that they belong here. We must assume that Wikipedia editors have made an edit correctly unless we have some evidence to the contrary. Which ones do you doubt and why? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:32, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Please see The Sound of Music (film), "In popular culture, Due to the popularity of the film, it has been referenced or parodied in pop culture today:" They are the same references. Mmmm? (And I will tell you what is too funny, Wikiquote redirects to quotes of the movie.) Master Redyva ♠</font

That's something. So the question becomes, which of these refer to the film, and which to the musical. If you want to get to the bottom of it, do the research. Until then, all you have told me is that both articles refer to the same references. That does not show that all of the references listed here are to the film rather than the musical. Let's not jump to conclusions until we have done our homework. -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:07, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Whoa! It really appears the references are to the film. I just thought as an encyclopedia, the article should be factual first, not later. I apologize, I thought the article would be stronger without the section now, with the homework being done later. Master Redyva ♠

[edit] HomeWork Part 1:

Gwen Stefani's 2006 single, "Wind It Up" :

Stefani considered The Sound of Music her favorite film, and she had wanted to incorporate a beat to one of its songs all her life. (Infantry, Ashante. "Stefani has it all, baby". Toronto Star. A27.)

Stefani asked DJ Jeremy Healy to create a mashup of the song and "The Lonely Goatherd", a song 1965 film The Sound of Music. (Pharrell Hated Stefani's Yodelling". MTV UK & Ireland. February 27, 2007. Retrieved April 29, 2007. Infantry, Ashante. "Stefani has it all, baby". Toronto Star. A27.)

Stefani commented, "I literally cried, and I'm not exaggerating, when I heard the mash-up." (Vineyard, Jennifer. "Gwen Stefani's New LP, The Sweet Escape, Set For December". MTV News. October 23, 2006. Retrieved April 29, 2007.)

Is this a Cultural reference for the film or the musical? Master Redyva ♠ 14:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] HomeWork Part 2:

The children in the Addams Family Values movie are forced to watch The Brady Bunch, The Sound of Music, Annie, and a series of Disney movies. This Cultural reference is for the film, not the musical. Master Redyva ♠ 15:10, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I moved the reference to the film article, which didn't have it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)