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[edit] Massive reworking to bring this to GA or even FA

I would like to seriously rework this page, with the final intention to bring it up to Featured Article by the time of the 50th anniversary (i.e. October 23th 2008). My intent is to fork this page into three or four pages (plus keeping this main page of course). I believe we need separate pages for The Smurfs (comics), The Smurfs (Hanna-Barbera series), The Smurfs (music) and The Smurfs (merchandising) (names are only suggestions, something like The Smurfs (collectibles) may do as well).

This page would present an overview of the "history" of the Smurfs (the real world history, that is), with sections on the comics, the movies, the animated series, the spin-offs (music, advertising and other merchandising), and the status of the Smurfs as cultural icons. It would also contain a description of the Smurf "universe" (like it does now), describing the in-universe aspects (timeframe, briefly some characters, language, ...). The sections would have pointers to the forked articles of course.

Things I would remove from the current article are the list of albums (to the article on the comics), the list of voice actors, released DVD's and music used in the animations (to the HB article), the list of translations (these can be found through the interwiki links), and the trivia section (everything which can be sourced and is deemed significant enough would be integrated in the "cultural icons" sections, all the rest deleted). Severely reduced would be the sections on figurines, theme parks and video games (moved to the merchandising article). The rest would be kept but rewritten (where needed).

This would hopefully create a more concise, balanced, well-sourced article, with room for all details in the subarticles where needed (e.g. the Smurfs Hanna-Barbera series really deserves a separate article, as does the phenomenon of the Smurfs music from Father Abraham on).

I plan on forking these articles in the next few weeks, if there is a consensus (or lack of opposition). Better proposals, tweaks, ... are obviously more than welcome, as is any help (in writing, layouting, and sourcing). There is more than enough info available to turn this into one (or more) good and featured articles, but it will take some work! Fram (talk) 13:37, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Seems a good plan. And a massive bit of work. Are you suggesting that this The Smurfs namespace be a simple DAB page, or a main overview article that is to be separate from The Smurfs (comics), because I'd think these aren't split apart so easily. Otherwise, spreading the many different topics feels right. MURGH disc. 15:14, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
This would be the main article, separate from the Smurfs (comics) page, but of course including a section on the comics. All the details of the comics go to the (comics) subpage, but some main points stay here as well. Fram (talk) 08:33, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] simple corrections needed

Under the subject "SMURFS", section 6, "Others", subsection 4 (6.4 to be exact) title heading "Others" two spelling errors were found. The errors are located together on the third sentence. The text contains the errors "How ever theire". See the copied text from that page below. Did not edit the page because of concerned responsabilty if errored in any application while editing. Just wanted to let someone know it was there. You have done an outstanding job of really keeping up with all this information.

Sincerely, Kayleen Welsbacher --Welsbacher (talk) 18:57, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I've actually removed the entire paragraph for being nonsense, on closer inspection. Welcome to Wikipedia, and be bold! --McGeddon (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References In Popular Culture

Shouldn't there be a section for this in the article? I know the smurfs are referenced in a number of different places and there would have to be enough information to form a solid section. Off the top of my head I know Robot Chicken did a sketch about them and the main character in Donnie Darko had an infamously long rant about them in one scene.Yoshi thomas (talk) 15:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I was WP:BOLD and deleted it yesterday - with a couple of exceptions (which I moved into other sections), I couldn't see anything in there that was more than "in one scene of a film or TV show, someone mentions Smurfs". I don't believe that the Donnie Darko scene is particularly "infamous", but I'll stand corrected if there are secondary sources commenting on it.
Maybe there's potential for a general paragraph about Smurfette and the jokes made about her, as it seems to be the only recurring theme in cultural references. --McGeddon (talk) 15:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I still think that section should be part of the article even if it is only references or jokes. Thats what should be in a pop culture section and I've always liked those parts of articles. No offense but if you removed all the references in pop culture sections that only included one-time jokes or alternate appearances, there wouldn't be any left. I won't put the section back though unless other people agree with me. If everyone thinks the article is better the way it is now than that's great. Yoshi thomas (talk) 15:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The minimum that should be done before putting it back is referencing. All non referenced mentions should be left out as unverifiable and not really notable as well. Fram (talk) 16:05, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Smurfs Movie , External Link Suggestion

Hello, I want to suggest adding my site about the upcoming movie - "The Smurfs" , since there is no official site for this movie I think that my site can do the work (temporary), site includes all updated information about the movie, and I will extend it in the near future. The address is: http://www.thesmurfs.info/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.181.109.215 (talk) 21:21, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

As it stands, your site has far too much advertising and far too little original information to meet the requirements of WP:EL. --McGeddon (talk) 10:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Its a Smurf world

Smurfs are real you got to believe me they talk to me all the time especially in my sleep seriously this is not something to joke about they are REAL!!!! except when i see them they are normally green not blue the guy who made the show really messed up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.179.150.105 (talk) 21:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Papa smurfs a pimp!

Papa smurf is awsome but isn't he kind of a pimp? Common if you have so many kids you have created a village thats just not normal. I mean he has so many kids what else does he have time for other than making more? Doesn't papa smurf show any remorse to momma smurf? =[

icu Bonkyo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.96.23 (talk) 00:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)