Talk:The Singapore Scout Association
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[edit] Copyright
It has been noted that some texts in this page were directly lifted from copyrighted material, including from contents in the offical SSA site. Someone look into this and do the neccesary? Thanks!--Huaiwei 17:00, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Merge of Group articles
There are proposals to merge two Group articles here. There is also one other Singapore Group article. Those three articles are, I believe more than 50% of all articles on Scouts Groups world-wide. The generally accepted view is that articles on individual Groups are not notable. To be notable, they have to be the oldest or the largest, and even these may be disputed. See discussions on Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting and its related articles. The best way forward is to make new articles on the two Areas or possibly the 13 Districts in Singapore and add part of the articles on the Groups to those. The alternative is that these Groups articles will be put up for deletion at some point. In the UK the idea is to have articles on Counties (England) or Areas (Scotland and Wales). Group articles are generally moved into those articles and made redirects there. Much the same happens in Australia and the USA. What do Singapore's Scouts think about this? --Bduke 11:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge all of them into this article.Rlevse 11:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
- Merge all as per nomination, otherwise, delete as non-notable. Chris 16:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
All five Group articles have been merged here. --Bduke 01:40, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cub Scout
Please be noted that primary school scouts had been officially been named from Cadet Scouts to Cub Scouts.
- Then the article Cadet Scout needs to be moved to Cub Scout (Singapore). I have changed the link from Cub Scout in the article so it actually links to Cadet Scout, but more tidying up needs to be done and I am busy on a long wikibreak. --Bduke 12:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Merge of Pajigwad Scout Troop
- Support. No notability of Troop. It needs to be be cut right back and merged here. Otherwise it will and should be deleted. --Bduke 09:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete The scout troop article is on a nonnotable unit that should be deleted. Only a few pieces of info are worth merging here. Sumoeagle179 04:26, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Support. It is the first Scout troop established in the Eastern part of Singapore. It has a rich and notable individual history (e.g. each member has a scout name bestowed upon him on reaching the Advanced Scout Standard) which would be lost if merged with the main entry for the Singapore Scout Association. -- Once a Scout, Always a Scout -- 76.187.251.59 19:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC) Bedajim 1976, Pajigwad Scout Unit Member 1974 - 1979
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- Comment. I think you meant "Not support merge". Being the first in the eastern part of Singapore does not cut it. Being the first or largest in Singapore might. There are very few articles on individual Troops or Groups in the world on Wikipedia. All that were created have been deleted or merged as non-notable. If it goes to Wikipedia:Articles for Deletion, as it surely will at some time, it will get deleted. You might as well merge the essentials now as we did for several other troop articles last year. --Bduke 21:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Scout Units
I was thinking whether we should impose a rule which restricts any details or brief mentions of an individual unit's history and achievements in the page. Currently, almost all of the "bigger and better" scout units had been doing so. I personally are against it. It will be very chaotic if the rest of the other units follow suit. -- Skyfoo 07:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Addition of information
I was thinking of adding more information to this article. For those who have some knowledge of the areas below please help to add in.
1. Camps (eg. Singapore Jamboree, Camp Leaping Wolf)
2. Competitions (eg. Pioneering Competition, NPC)
3. Events (eg. JOTI/JOTA, POW WOW)
4. Uniform
5. Scout Shop
6. Saribum Campsite
7. Badges
8. Awards
9. Differences between land and sea Scouting
10. History of Air Scouting
11. Cub/Scout/Venture/Rover/Leader
-- Skyfoo 07:10, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] The Singapore Scout Logo
This section below is moved from the main article because it is not sourced and it may be a copyright violation. Give a source for it before moving it back, but do not move it back if it is a direct copy of the source.
"The Singapore Scout Logo consists of a fleur-de-lys (trefoil) with the Crescent and Five Stars of the State Emblem superimposed over it. The Fleur-de-lys, since early times, has been used to decorate the North point of the compass on maps. It is characteristic of the fact, therefore, that a Scout shows the way for others to follow. The trefoil is emblematic of the three parts of the Scout Promise. The middle portion points upwards and above the other two, signifying the lofty ideals of the Scout and the Movement. Through the middle of this mid-point is a line pointing upwards. This represents the Scout’s belief in God. The two side-portions of the fleur-de-lys are equal and balanced, representing the fact that humanity is the same and everywhere equal. These two portions also stand for the balanced views of the Scout and his sense of equality and justice with regard to all things and people. The two stars on either side represent the eyes of the Scout and through them he sees the stars’ ten points, representing the original ten Scout Laws which have been embodied into five. The three parts of the Promise are bound together by the circle containing the Crescent and the Five Stars which represent the State and the Nation. The circle is the bond of brotherhood and it “ties” up to the Scout’s allegiance to his country and his desire to be a useful citizen. Below the circle of Crescent and Stars is a line which represents the Scout. This individuality, however, it not so aloof or alone as not to connect the Scout to God and the State (the circle)."
--Bduke 10:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
After looking at this again in detail, I do not think the logo needs anything more than a brief sentence such as:-
"The Singapore Scout Logo combines the fleur-de-lys international Scout emblem with the State of Singapore Crescent and Five Stars." (needs reference here to Singapore Scout Association book that the above came from)
Anything else is really just the Scout point of view and we should be using a neutral point of view. It would be nice to have an international wikipedia article on the fleur-de-lys Scout badge and we could then link to it here. I'll find out whether anybody has done this or plans to. --Bduke 21:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Arabic script tagging
This needs the Malay transliteration. Chris 06:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
