Talk:The Shape of Things to Come (Lost)

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[edit] Episode name?

I have found on some places that the ninth episode is called 'Bakir'. I have no idea if this is wrong or not... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.105.221.196 (talk) 09:43, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

That is wrong. The producers confirmed "The Shape of Things to Come" in an official podcast, which is linked to in the article. –thedemonhog talk • edits 17:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
Does the episode name have anything to do with the Yes song "Survival", because the first two verses of that song are: "Sunshine is creeping in and somewhere in a field a life begins, An egg too proud to rape the beginning of a shape of things to come". I was just wondering if anyone knew the actual reason for the name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.216.65 (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
A podcast confirmed that the title comes from the H.G. Wells book. –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

Can we find a more Ben-centric photo for the main pic? Like him in the flash-forward or him with Alex?--CyberGhostface (talk) 14:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

If no one has any problems with this, when I get home I'll try enhancing a screenshot of Ben and uploading it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 18:47, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I would prefer something along the lines of this. What do others think? Re[1]: I was going to be bold (making that picture less relevant or at least with an incorrect caption), but then decided to discuss it here first. –thedemonhog talk • edits 00:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with it.--CyberGhostface (talk) 00:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
It? –thedemonhog talk • edits 01:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Sorry. I meant I don't have a problem with the new picture.--CyberGhostface (talk) 01:12, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cerberus

The smoke monster is listed as Cerberus? Has that been confirmed? --soum talk 15:47, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Darlton at Comic-Con, I think. Sceptre (talk) 15:49, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I stand corrected. But Mythology of Lost#The Monster should say this if the name is going to be used. --soum talk 15:57, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
According to Lostpedia, Darlton said that Cerberus is what Kelvin and Radzinsky and possibly the whole DHARMA Initiative called the monster. Because it hasn't ever been explicitly stated on the show or other canonical sources, I don't think we should call it Cerberus. Jackieboy87 (talk) 17:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Piano song

Is it worth noting in the article that the song that Ben is playing on the piano is Prelude in C# Minor, by Sergei Rachmaninoff? I happen to know this for a fact. 151.203.80.125 (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The song seems unimportant and if we were to mention it, you would need a reliable source. –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some questions

"Ben, John Locke (Terry O'Quinn), and Hugo "Hurley" Reyes (Jorge Garcia) fortify Ben's house, while James "Sawyer" Ford (Josh Holloway) goes to retrieve the other survivors in the Barracks. He is partially successful: he saves Claire Littleton (Emilie de Ravin) from her exploded and burning house, but Doug (Sean Douglas Hoban), Jerome (Jim Mazzarella) and at least one other (Dakota L.) are shot dead by the mercenaries." (1) Sawyer goes to retrieve other survivors? It was my understanding that he just rushed off to find Claire, who he knew was sleeping. (2) Do we need a source for Doug and Jerome being killed? I'm not so hardcore a fan as to keep lists of the extras with their names, but how do we know their names? Lostpedia asserts that Jerome's name is mentioned in a transcript, but no mention of Doug. (3) How do we know "Dakota L." plays the now-dead extra, if we don't even know the character's name? —97198 talk 08:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll add some sources tomorrow later. –thedemonhog talk • edits 10:37, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
? —97198 talk 07:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry. I will get to it eventually. –thedemonhog talk • edits 07:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
On the latest podcast, DL and CC said that the second guy was Steve, but it may have been in jest. Jackieboy87 (talk) 12:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
The second guy was not Steve, as Steve is dead and the actor is different. Anyway, I could not find unquestionably reliable sources so I removed the actors' names (and the characters' names as we only know two out of three and they are unimportant). Sorry that I took so long; I have been busy (in real life) and then lazy (on Wikipedia) this month. –thedemonhog talk • edits 22:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Nomination

I hereby pass The Shape of Things to Come (Lost) as a Good Article. I find it is extraordinarily well written for a televsion show episode article (as most of them are- well, I'll be pleasant and say "awful.") The production description is especially extraoridnary and kudos to Thedemonhog for nominating it. KC109 16:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC).

Article does meet the Good Article criteria, though moving forward, it would be a good idea to complete a good copyedit of the article. While the prose is acceptable, there's a couple of areas that could use tightening up (e.g. "It was aired"), as well as a few missing commas. There are also two images that, while acceptably tagged, need to have a fair use rationale added to the image description. Other than that, good work. Dr. Cash (talk) 19:42, 21 May 2008 (UTC)