Talk:The Shamen

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[edit] Red Links/Notability

There are too many red links in this article. Wikipedia has standards regarding notability; not every song or album is considered 'worthy' of a seperate article.

I propose retaining red (and preferably blue!) links for the following:

[edit] Albums

[edit] Singles/Songs

I think it's best to start out with a few red links. We can always look at adding articles for e.g. the other singles from Boss Drum later.

  • Christopher Mayhew Says/Mayhew Speaks Out -- I consider this notable because it's an important song in the genre
  • Jesus Loves Amerika -- Ditto
  • Move Any Mountain/Pro Gen -- I think indisputably notable; brought dance music to the attention of the indie brigade and an important landmark in the Shamen's history
  • Ebeneezer Goode -- A #1 hit single
  • Strange Days Dream -- is possible because of the S&N sessions, but I've delinked it for now

[edit] Personnel

I think that only Colin, Mr C, and Will Sin are candidates for individual articles. C has a profile outside the Shamen, but Colin and Will might not need individual articles.

--kingboyk 23:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Mr C

Do we know when Mr C officially joined The Shamen? I was under the impression (perhaps mistaken) that he was a guest musician until Will Sin died, at which time (when exactly?) Colin invited him to become an official member? --kingboyk 19:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think (although I'm not 100% about this) that he joined the group in late 1990, when the group were heavily touring and promoting the 'En-Tact' album. User:DShamen 10:21, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Having just checked http://www.nemeton.com/static/nemeton/history.html, and http://www.dancetrippin.tv/boxes/dj.cfm?djid=1551&showmedia=1reading and the biography they provided from their active days, I think 1991 is an clearly too late, so late 1990 is probably the most accurate we can be. he was not a member for their tracks preceding progen in 1990. --Princekilderkin (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

the bands myspace has the members dates as follows, beyond years i have no idea, i havent seen any month being referanced, ive included a list here...


Colin Angus - Vocals, guitars, keyboards (1985-1999) Derek McKenzie - Vocals (1985-1987) Keith McKenzie - Drums (1985-1988) Peter Stephenson - Keyboards (1985-1988) Will Sinnott - Bass, vocals, keyboards (1987-1991) Richard West (Mr C) - Vocals, keyboards (1990-1999)

must note it doesnt have all members, none of the guest vocalist.--Princekilderkin (talk) 02:14, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] First techno influences?

The article states that

it wasn't until June's "Jesus Loves Amerika" single that the techno influence began to show.

That's June, 1988. But Christopher Mayhew Says came in September 1987. Surely that one is as much techno as Jesus Loves Amerika? (Or, maybe more importantly, an obvious break with their earlier style. Neither of those two have much in common with their much later and frequently more commercial sound.)

JöG 22:34, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I actually wrote a lot of the content for The Shamen article originally, including this statement... I'll happily agree with you in that 'Christopher Mayhew Says' was the first radical change by the group. I actually based a lot of what I'd written on an article actually written by Colin Angus and Will Sinnott around 1989/90. It's debatable whether 'Jesus Loves Amerika' could actually be classed as 'techno' for sure, probably more of an alternative rock track with hip-hop influences, so I certainly don't object to it being changed... DShamen 00:14, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

It was a lot darker than what had come before; it was the start of something new whether it was techno or not. Anyway, best to base these things on what published authors say not what we as editors think. --kingboyk (talk) 19:31, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plavka

http://www.plavka.com/notw.jpg

How come nothing is mentioned of her? Is it because her presence exposes Angus in a rather unfavorable light? One way or the other, the info from the published article should be included in the history section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.145.10.49 (talk) 04:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Done. USRepublican (talk) 00:33, 1 June 2008 (UTC)