Talk:The Royal Court

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on 1 October 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

They are producing hits for some of the biggest names in music such as Omarion and Mario and Ashlee Simpson. They are an up and coming who have already received credits on singles by major artists. They had a major hit with the song Icebox. Anonymous received consistent video play on MTV and such. "Cut Off Time" is being featured on the commercials for "Bring the Noise." And these are just to name a few. They have worked closely with Justin Timberlake and Timbaland in the production studios. This entry references sites such as MTV.com that reference them. This is a legitimate entry, and I don't understand the rapid deletion tag. 70.149.123.230 23:03, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

I need an explanation. This article does not meet any of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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70.149.123.230 23:06, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

You have asserted no reason that "The Royal Court" is important. You have references for each member, but not for the group.Kww 23:09, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


So if a page is made individually for each member, it would be acceptable? 70.149.123.230 23:16, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:MUSIC. If they pass one of those tests, and you can show a reliable source (not MySpace or YouTube, but a WP:RS) that shows that they pass, it would be fine.Kww 23:27, 1 October 2007 (UTC)


[1] Under this, #2 and #11 apply.. see: "Icebox" and "Anonymous" 70.149.123.230 00:13, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

They don't apply to this page, because they make no mention of a grouping named "The Royal Court."Kww 00:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


1. Online Article on "The Royal Court" [2]

2. [3] (description mentions "The Royal Court")

3. Blog Entry Mentioniong "The Royal Court" [4]


If individual pages are made for King Logan and John Spivrey, would this be acceptable? 70.149.123.128 11:55, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

First, please remember that I'm just another editor ... I can't give permission, just opinions. The rollingout.com article is a good step towards a reference for "The Royal Court" article, and you should put it in there. The description mentioning them isn't a great reference, but it helps. Blogs don't count as sources, because they are too easy to forge.

I think you stand a good chance with the other articles. Just remember to put in references!Kww 12:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


My main dispute is that there are a lack of more solid and reputable resources merely because they are a new group. But their "newness" does not diminish or devalue their relevance or importance. There is plenty of reason to believe that this trio does indeed exist, does indeed produce music together, etc. 65.2.75.21 22:11, 2 October 2007 (UTC)