Talk:The Raven in popular culture

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There is an entire chapter in the book Black House by Stephen King and Peter Straub constructed around the poem The Raven

- Adam Marlow213.48.38.13 15:13, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Saturday Night Live

I notice that SNL's repeated Halloween performance of the poem is missing. From my recollection it involved Frankenstein, Tonto and somebody else attempting to read the poem with no inflection. Wdarling —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wdarling (talk • contribs) 02:22, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Black House

Just to add to the comment on Black House, part III of the novel is entitled "Night's Plutonian Shore", which is also a reference to The Raven. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.76.208.81 (talk) 19:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Neil Gaiman

Just checking... did the raven in Neil Gaiman's American Gods actually say the F-bomb, or is that vandalism? It's recently been edited by an anonymous IP. Midnightdreary 15:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds to me like an excuse to go back and read the novel again. I'll get back to you once I've had the chance to check it out. PaladinWhite 12:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Just checked, it says "Fuck you". Early on in chapter 7 (in my edition, paperback "author's preferred edition" it's the top of page 173). Mikkel 12:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Well now that this discussion has brought it back to mind, I'm gonna read it anyway! Thanks for checking things out, Mikkel. PaladinWhite 16:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Ha ha... I'm glad I asked. -Midnightdreary 17:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Complete Copyedit and Reorganization

I just finished completely redoing the article - it seemed very disorganized and not very helpful, and I thought it could be a nice reference if properly cared for. Most significantly, I tried to organize all the entries into sections, but I also copyedited the entries, and removed those that didn't seem suitable. Those in question are included below for discussion or exploration, in the format:

[ENTRY IN QUESTION]
My thoughts on the entry.

My only other thought is that we should hunt down some more artwork to include here - with so much text, it seems like it would definitely be reader-friendly to include something nice to look at while you're reading!

When Andrew Wiles and Richard Taylor presented the proof of Fermat's Last Theorem at Boston University in August 1995, a poetry challenge was made to celebrate this event. One of the poems is derived from "The Raven", you can read it at http://www.math.dartmouth.edu/~leejstem/mathematrix/poetry.html#b.

As far as I can tell, neither the author nor the poem itself is particularly notable - the possibility that this entry was added by the author himself springs to mind, although I haven't the patience to look through the edit history to find it (at least right now).

The 2005 Novel 'From Fear to Flattery' by Tony Hughes parodies the poem by using Bigfoot instead of a raven as its main character

I can't find a plot synopsis, and without clarification as to how the novel parodies the poem, this entry seems fairly useless. Where's the connection between Bigfoot and "The Raven"?

In a children's TV film a barber claims he had made the hair of many musicians, including maestro Herbert von Karajan. The latter has left an autograph with the word "Nevermore."

An earlier editor left the comment, "Unsupported. Which "children's TV film"??", and I think that sums it up nicely.

There is a parody by Dan Black floating around the internet, which ends with the line Quoth the Server, 404, referring to the infamous URL not found error message. See for example [1].

Another "Quoth the Server" parody (Quote #120296) is found on Bash.org, where the wording has been altered to use some computer terminology, and to be about Internet pornography. The full version of that parody can be found at Quoth the Server 404.

Other computer-related parodies are the various versions of "The Maven", "Geeks' Raven", "Poe Puree", "Windows Maven" and "Ravin" Raven and Mavens

None of these seem particularly notable in any way... Clever, perhaps, but worthy of a listing? In the last case, the URL isn't good, anyway.

On the 2005 album, This Godless Endeavor by the American Progressive Thrash Metal band, Nevermore, in the title track, there is a line which says "Then I heard a sound come rapping, tapping on my door". However the song is not inspired by the poem.

As it reads currently (or, rather, read previously, as I've removed it,) this entry contraindicates its own inclusion. However, without a reference saying otherwise, it seems likely that "The Raven" was an influence - that would have to be referenced as well, I suppose, since it's not verbatim. Anyone care to explore?

In October 2005, Level Ground Press and Artist Bill Fountain published an illustrated re-imagining of "The Raven" incorporating many Raven myths and legends from around the world into the visual interpretation of the story.

Neither the publisher nor the artist nor the book have an article that I can find. Methinks this one's just not notable enough.

In the Dutch literature book "Ontdekking van de hemel" (Discovery of heaven) from Harry Mulisch, a crow appears with the name "Edgar".

There's probably a raven named "Allan" somewhere in literature, too... Doesn't (necessarily) make it a reference...

The comic strip Shoe ran a strip in which a large, strange, black bird was sitting at Roz's bar, uttering random words starting with "never-" or ending in "-more" (e.g., "Livermore!"; "Nevertheless!"), when one of the regular characters announced that the raven was bombed.

I left this one in, but are there any Shoe fans that care to pin down the specific strip? It'd be nice to reference or link to it.

An excerpt of the poem appears in Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem, a GameCube game developed by Silicon Knights.

Unless we can specify the reference, its context, or its significance to the game, I don't think this really belongs.

In Stephen King's novel Insomnia, Ralph compares an omen to the raven of the poem.

I left this one in, but can someone be more specific? Although I'm a King fan, I haven't read the novel in question.

PaladinWhite 12:49, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Nice work. These kinds of articles are difficult to maintain because, inevitably, a mere mention of "The Raven" in someone's favorite obscure TV show seems to merit inclusion. This list will never be complete, nor should it aim to be. Dates would make it more helpful, specific episode names as well. If that information isn't included, should it be listed at all? And, seriously, FULL SENTENCES!! :) Anyway, just my two cents. Midnightdreary 14:05, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
My thoughts exactly. That's just the problem I saw with the previous version - there were a lot of entries that went something like, "One time I saw a TV show that had a bird in it. Clearly it was a reference to "The Raven"." A couple of the ones listed here are still good candidates, but we need more information, like you said. PaladinWhite 15:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Well done! It's a lot better now. Mikkel 12:32, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
About The discovery of Heaven, the raven is not only called Edgar, but Onno also recites one or two lines from the poem itself.Valentine de Villefort —Preceding comment was added at 20:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 311?

The article mentions that Amber by 311 talks about waiting for Lenore -- where? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.242.36.208 (talk) 05:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't see it either so I'm taking it out. Thanks for spotting that one. --Midnightdreary 11:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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