Talk:The Punisher 2099

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Contents 1 Trivia 2 The 2099 writers got wrong and it should be told as to why 3 Cleanup 4 Vendetta 5 Comparing

[edit] Trivia

I removed the current entries under the trivia for the following reasons. The storylines cited as about the Punisher legacy were all publish after the completion of 2099 run, placing them as retcon at best. A new entry comparing the Frank Castle v. Jake Gallows as Punishers may be considerably more constructive; rather than, "is something that the Punisher would never pass to anyone," as it neither reflects a neutral POV, nor does it offer proper credance to an established character history (from an alternate universe). I removed the second entry "Jake Gallows becomes more of a law enforcer than a vigilante," as this is a completly unsustantiated statement, that is conjecture, at best. An entry contrasting Jake's roles as "The Punisher" versus "The Minister of Punishment," could prove to be more constructive; or expanding on Jake's evolution into the role of "Minister of Punishment." But, both of the current trivia entries could not remain as part of the article due to POV and fatual inaccuracy. -66.109.248.114, 10/3/06

[edit] The 2099 writers got wrong and it should be told as to why

In that note what the Punisher is basically saying is that he wants people to be like him… mass murders. He wants someone or people to blow other people’s heads off; he wants people to bomb others, he wants people to torture others like how the Mafia does. The Punisher knows what he is and what he does. The Punisher is not that sick, evil, twisted, and messed up and would never want anyone to do such things to people. The Punisher is not a hero, he’s not a role model, and he’s not someone to look up and to be like. The Punisher chooses do to what he does and does it alone. He doesn’t want anybody else doing the exact same thing, or things that he does. Even going back all the way to when The Punisher fought The Trust it shows that. The writer of the Punisher 2099 world got it very wrong.

The story as "The Punsiher: The End" is what happens to not only the Punisher. Unlike 2099 it shows that he never went completely insane, never become true evil, that he still had a line in the road that he would never cross. But because of that note in the Punisher 2099 it’s saying that he did go completely insane and become true evil. In The End story Frank says "The human race. You've seen what that leads to." And the 2099 world shows just that. In the end the Punisher 2099 was an incorrect story on the real Punisher’s character. And in “the end” it got corrected. This whole Punisher 2099 should really be called a non-cann event. It can't even be called a alternated world.

The article is not about Frank Castle, the Punisher, it is about Jake Gallows. Any judgment passed on the writer/editors of the 2099 characters, should not be reflected in the article, especially if the rationale is citing stories (including The Punisher: The End, which was released after 2099), that are published after the completion of the series (in the macro-sense). The writing in the War Journal does not deminish the Frank Castle Punisher (Earth-616) as the 2099 do not take place in the main universe and are not canonical. Stating "the Punisher would never" does not apply for alernate universes and thus the Trivia section as it is worded should be removed.-66.109.248.114, 10/3/06

not really, the irony on how this future punisher is depicted (by chuck dixon) versus to our present punisher (by ennis) is noteworthy. its contradicting and a notable conflict to the character development itself Bloodpack 04:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

The current edit is a great improvement and works real well with the article. -66.109.248.114, 10/4/06

You should have been able to figure that out. This only proves that people like you around here who always makes it seem that what you say is right... and what anyone else has to say should just be taken off as being wrong.

[edit] Cleanup

The lead of this article states that Punisher 2099 is a comic book series, but the rest of the article continues as if it's about Jake Gallows, the Punisher 2099 character. Needs to be cleaned up and refocused. --Psyphics_ΨΦ 14:23, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

To clarify, the article's focus should be on the comic book, not the character. --Psyphics_ΨΦ 14:15, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vendetta

Why is their no section for Vendetta, the 2099 female punisher? She was a big part of 2099 series, was in many issues, and yet on this page she has no mention, and she does not exist in any Wikipedia article of her own. Legobrickmaster 22:05, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Comparing

I again removed a trivia section comparing Jake to Frank.

Even if one considers stories about Frank written before Jake's stories ended, the characters are different. Heck, Jake (for a time) would not kill corrupt cops who were literally shooting at him. And of course, Jake goes completely cuckoo banannas near the end. Lots42 22:38, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

• It's about what Jake found. That Frank himself left a letter like that for someone to find and to carry on his war. And that's wrong, that's not what Frank would do. 09:21, 29 September 2007 4.224.228.23

I had originally removed the trivia section for similar reasons approximately 1 year ago. While I still agree with the edits of Lots42 for the same reason; upon reflection, I feel that the section should go simply as it is a trivia section (and not easily incorporated into the current article) and that the section clearly reflects original research. I have tagged the section as such, but similar to the last instance will let this edit be guided by the discussion. 66.109.248.114 21:51, 4 October 2007 (UTC)