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I am a member of The Process Church of The Final Judgement and would like to correct you on the fact that you say Robert was taking the Church on a more Satanic Leaning, This is far from correct, the truth of the matter is that a divorce occurred between Robert and Mary Anne and put excessive strain on the Group as Mary Anne tried to exert Control and turn it into a Jehovian Cult, The Foundation finally splintered also and the result was a Group called Best Friends In Utah.

NEW POST.............. I too am a member of The Process Church of the Final Judgement - and what people don't get is that the leadership of The Process - prior to the skizm - ceased to be Processeans - they acknowledged their leaving, and the people that stayed on also acknowledged their collective departure. So what became of this person and that person is irrelevant. If you want to focus on what we are doing NOW - TODAY - then post some questions.

All of this unfounded jabber does nothing except continue these 'urban legends' that have spawned from the continued discussions that are really warped.

And all of these so-called references to Scientology - the elements that may have existed were removed way back in the early 70's. What's left is purely Processean. We're authentic in what we do, and there was a very strong effort to make sure we were not stealing anything from anyone or any other group.

And some of you wonder why we keep to ourselves? What would you think if you're Church was accused of all of this evil? We have families and lives - please - be polite - and keep your speculation to yourselves.

But of course people are not interested in the truth, just something good to read... Something to boast about...

Thanks to those who try to keep the truth up-front and present.

As it is, so be it.

 Harmanus


New Poster:

Michael Mountain a.k.a. Hugh Mountain and known by his religious name Father Aaron, is the son of the founder of Granada TV, Sydney Bernstein. Michael Mountain co-founded The Process, Church of the Final Judgment with Robert DeGrimston a.k.a. Robert Moore or Moor a.k.a. Christ. The church first incorporated in Louisiana in 1968 and Michael has continued to this day to be the President. The Process has changed it's name several times and is now Best Friends Animal Society in Kanab, Utah. www.bestfriends.org Here you will find more than 20 of The Process founders, Mary Anne De Grimston and her inner-circle, living on a 23,000 acre ranch called Angel's Canyon (Manson called his ranch Devil's Canyon.)

When Sydney Bernstein died in 1992, Michael Mountain became an heir to his fortune. Over the years he has contributed large amounts of money to The Process Church. To this day, much is written about their connections to the Son of Sam murders, the Manson murders, the Zodiac killer, human and animal sacrifices and many more heinous crimes. Whether or not these accusations are true is still under investigation.

I would question whether Robert de Grimston ever called himself Christ. I would be surprised if Robert de Grimston were continuing to be involved as you described, but I make no comment about Mary Anne in this regard. Best Friends appears to be the successor to the Foundation Church, the group that broke away from The Process when the de Grimston marriage failed. ☮ Eclecticology 10:31, 2004 Feb 6 (UTC)

-- If I implied Robert was still connected to the group, I apologize. He hasn?t been connected since 1974 when he was ousted and not allowed to even visit his friends. My belief is that Mary Anne wanted more excitement and liked the criminal aspect while claiming to take on a Judo/Christian belief. Robert wanted a more normal life yet he has been the scapegoat for much of Mary Anne?s behavior.

Public records show The Process, Church of the Final Judgment - May 18, 1974 - Name Change, The Foundation Church of the Millennium. This wasn't a splinter group and records show the corporate name changed several times over the years and is now Best Friends Animal Society. Most of the same people are currently listed in the documents, no one new has been added, and they continue to hold the non-profit corporation established in 1968.

My apologies I had misread Robert where you had put Michael. (But then Michael Moore certainly has fame of his own.:-)). I was just rumaging around the Best Friends web site and find no mention of Mary Ann. Managing a care facility for animals doesn't seem at all consistent with the kind of personality which you have yourself described.
I haven't had the privilege of examining the corporate records in Louisiana, and what effect that would have on any continuing right to use the name "The Process" (but without the reference to The Final Judgement. Robert did continue using it at least until March 1975 when he seemed to realize that "formal organized structure" of the Process had come to an end, but that The Game would go on. The structure had become "subject to the JS reality." ☮ Eclecticology 02:05, 2004 Feb 8 (UTC)

Mary Anne's whereabouts has been kept a guarded secret. You won't find any mention of The Process Church on their site or at the sanctuary. They claim to have dropped their religious beliefs and became a secular organization. Yet the same people are still together after 35 years. It's all so interesting and suspect once you get past their ingenious and well disguising front.

For $25 and a phone call to the State of Louisiana you can receive a certified copy of their complete Articles of Incorporation dating back to 1968 and naming everyone that has been involved. It's all in the public records.

Yes it does leave one suspicious. What I am curious about is who owns the copyrights to the Process material? I suspect it would be Robert, but many of The Letters from the Omega have an end-notE saying in all caps, "THIS MATERIAL IS THE PROPERTY OF THE PROCESS", but signed by Robert. ☮ Eclecticology 09:33, 2004 Feb 9 (UTC)

That's a good question and I don't have the answer. An attorney would be the one to contact. They have the original corporation, but they abandoned the name and say also the theology. Perhaps they kept the corporation so no one could restart the church and rekindle the interest to "their" connections with Manson and Berkowitz.

[edit] New religious movement

I am going to add this article to the new religious movement category. I'm not familiar with this group, but it appears that it once was a religous movement, and that its significance was related to religion. -Willmcw 08:43, Apr 1, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Some of the things said about The Process make me laugh...

Some of the thing that have been said about The Process make me laugh - but at the same time it does pain me to hear about all of these 'connections' to this and that which are absolutely made-up at the expense of some very great people.

To me it appears to evolve around the generating of money, a money-mill is what I term it... Put a another book out - make a lot of money. Sensationalism sells.

But then there are the consequences of people who do not check their facts, or are of the belief that they can write about someone or a group of people or an organization that they feel will never be able to challenge them... Now there's a mystery to think about...

It does come to my mind that these 'authors' - who in my heart I hope are true and honest - must be careful not to continue to defame the name of my Church. One author who just didn't check his facts out, learned, painfully the consequences of such actions; and so did the publisher as well...

One thing I think that some of these people who dream up these connections must also understand is that they've hurt us. They've linked us to these killers which has become a nightmare. And I might also say at the expense of the families of the victims. You really don't hear much about the young people whose lives were taken, nor do you hear about how their families and how they've had to cope over the years... What were the contributions that these victims could have made?

And now we hear the pathetic banter of this putrid Berkowitz spouting off as he is now "Saved". We ran prison ministry's, and you don't deal with these types at all. They are in jail for a reason. They are there to pay for their horrible crimes and they should sit and think about what it was that they did to hurt so many. The last thing anyone should do is pay any attention to them. The only people talking to them are law enforcement.

One of our beliefs is that we should love our enemies; I find it very difficult to call upon my Processean soul to invoke the words of Christ, and extend my thoughts and prayers to these killers.

All of the best. 70.109.111.250 20:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

This article is ridiculously poorly hacked and un-researched. When I have the time, I will edit further, but I did delete a few lines. First, we had a line claiming that Degrimston was an executive in a telecommunications company, and then, just a paragraph below, we read that Degrimston is a business consultant in NY. In fact, he's a consultant - he has contracted to a "large telecommunication company", but we only need one mention of this. Further, who cares if some no-name hack author, Newton, makes the wayward claim that the Process were involved in white-slavery and narcotics? Who is he, and what makes him say this? It's a ludicrous claim and can't be substantiated. Also, in response to the comment below: " To this day, much is written about their connections to the Son of Sam murders, the Manson murders, the Zodiac killer, human and animal sacrifices and many more heinous crimes. Whether or not these accusations are true is still under investigation." You are wrong. These accusations are not, nor were they ever seriously, under investigation. Name a department in which these claims are open to investigation. As for the copyrights to old Process material, they belong to the holders of the corporate charter, Best Friends. Also, Michael Mountain is NOT the son of Sydney Bernstein, but a close relation. And FINALLY (for the moment), Mary Anne isn't involved in anything anymore. Mary Anne is dead. I would recommend some knowledge of the topics you chose to write about, and stay away from non-sources like "Newton", whoever he may be.198.179.227.58 07:53, 17 August 2006 (UTC)suture


I will attempt a major overhaul of this article in the coming months complete with citations of sources and removal of potentially libelous material. Anyone wishing to edit this article should know that a new Church using a similar name has come into being. This new Religious Movement appears to be centered on charitable works. they do use some of the older sacred writings but neither of the former DeGrimston's are associated with it personally. It is true that what is left of the Process following the 1974 breakup is now focused on Animal Rescue work as part of Best Friends Animal Sanctuary but they are not evangelizing or seeking new members. They do hire for work at the sanctuary but adherence to their beliefs are not a requirement for employment.
Most of the tabloidesque accusations againt The Process originate from just two publications, THE FAMILY by Ed Sanders and Maury Terry's book on Son of Sam, ULTIMATE EVIL. Both authors demonstrate a fundematal misunderstanding of the origins of the group and it's principles while active. What is true is that some unusal individuals, some with tendencies towards violence passed through the open doors of Process Coffee Houses and Process Missions. Before it's implosion in 1974, The Process was very loosely organized and came into contact with many elements of the counter-culture. Connect enough dots and you could could connect the process to whatever crime you like, I suppose. However, that's not scholarship. Please support my work on this article when i get underway. I'll post a new section here when I begin my edits. Lisapollison 01:26, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

How does The Holy Terror Church of Final Judgement relate to The Process Church of The Final Judgement? From an outsider's standpoint, it seems that they use the same symbolism, and some of the beliefs seem to of both churches seem similar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.220.87.25 (talk) 07:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)