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[edit] Plot

I think these particular changes to the plot section only hurt it: [1]. Since I had copy-edited the plot section, I'm not going to take it upon myself to revert this edit. But if anyone agrees with me here, please do discuss this. Equazcion •✗/C • 18:25, 29 Apr 2008 (UTC)

Could you elaborate? I have a reason for every one of those changes. I was mostly trying to eliminate wordiness ("tells" instead of "goes on to tell"; "allowed" instead of "chose to allow", etc.) Zagalejo^^^ 18:27, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I have made a few adjustments, but I think the rest of my edits should stay. Zagalejo^^^ 18:41, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

New diff: [2]. I'm not going to go through each individual change and try to explain to you why I think they were better the other way. That would take too long. I'm just calling attention to this in case others agree with me. If not then it can stay the way it is. Equazcion •✗/C • 18:58, 29 Apr 2008 (UTC)

Could you at least comment on a couple of changes? I need something to work with here. Zagalejo^^^ 19:38, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] To-do

Here are some things we need to discuss:

• 1) The big thing to tackle is the article's organization. There's a lot of overlap within the "Production", "Controversy", and "Reception" sections. We really need to define the scope of each of those sections.
• 2) Once we have the basic organization figured out, we need to work on the prose, and the organization within sections. Some sections are rougher than others. The first paragraph of "Production", for example, doesn't flow very well at all. We jump from one topic (the claims adjuster) to another (Martin Sheen), and another (Sommersby), and then another (Mark Twain). We really need to work on transitions and paragraph development. (Those are problems in many Simpsons articles, not just this one.)
• 3) We might need to be more selective about the quotes from the TV writers. Chris Turner's commentary is valuable, but I don't see how the Cantor quote adds much. Does he say anything more insightful?
• 4) Frankly, I think the most interesting commentary comes from the alt.tv.simpsons archives. There are many reliable sources that explicitly mention how the "people on the Internet" complained about the episode. Would it be possible to throw in a couple of representative newsgroup quotes? I might ask about that at the Village Pump.
• 5) Just what are we to make of Keeler's comment that he couldn't remember the "two lines that would have made all the difference?" That just seems... weird. Zagalejo^^^ 01:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll work on these now and over the course of the next day or two. Qst (talk) 20:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

What I'd really want is a group discussion about some of these things. Zagalejo^^^ 20:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)