Talk:The Philips Phile

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[edit] Added Trivia section

I looked hard but could not find any official references to the SS/Reagan affair. However, if you google "jim philips" & "secret service" you will find references to the incident in blogs. This happened in the mid-90s so it will probably not be easy to find a hard source without paying for media archive access. However, the incident is well-known to Central Floridians.


[edit] Closed deletion listing

This article was listed for deletion on 11 April 2005. The discussion was closed with the result of no consensus. This article will not be deleted. You can view the discussion, which is no longer live: Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Philips phile. --Tony Sidaway|Talk 21:11, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Please do not use this page as a forum for discussion your personal views ("this show sucks!", "this show rocks!"). Please use it to discuss the article. Thanks.

[edit] vandalism

Even as a fellow pest, vandalizing wikipedia articles is not cool. I urge everyone to leave this article alone unless you have real information to add. --Kvuo 22:00, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated reverts

OK, folks, please remember Wikipedia:Three Revert Rule. I'm cutting down the section about the controversy because it's totally lacking in NPOV and the belabored blow-by-blow is just pointless. Make it a sub-page if you want, but please stop the pissing. The full text is below:

"Jim Philips claimed on his show once that his show was voted the most listened to non-music Talk Radio Show on XM's Platform. This was later shown to be a bald-faced lie when the vice president of XM's programming, Eric Logan went on the Opie and Anthony Show to state that he didn't even know who Philips WAS. He also stated that Opie and Anthony were recieving far higher ratings, though no offical disclosure of numbers was given, since XM's current policy forbids such numbers being publically released. It was later explianed that the reason for this was due to competition from "Terrestial" and Sirius Radio.

Jim Philips later that day brought on a false representative from XM in attempt to fool his fans into believing that he truly WAS the top dog at XM Radio. However, under intense pressure from the O&A Army to retract this claim (also, so he could retain some credibility on his own show while he was under fire from the "Pests" as they are commonly called) and boldly stated that he had made it up. He then challenged Eric Logan to fire him, and has since stated many times that Eric Logan won't do so. The suspected reason for this is an existing Clear Channel contract with XM, which is due to expire and not expected to be renewed."

For the record, I've never listened to either of these shows, and all you're doing is making a lot of work for those of us on the Wiki who aren't inappopriately emotionally invested. It's gotta be neutral, factual, and relevant. Please. Wnissen 14:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

And again, I disagree. It is neutral, factual, and relevant. He went on his show, claimed something that wasn't true, then was forced to back down by a group of people not even affiliated offically WITH the show that he charged to be over-riding in his claim. I didn't claim Philips was a "douchebag" or use any derrogatory language TOWARD him. I presented simple facts, that portray him in a negative light. They're HIS actions, and they should be reported on. If it was an incident where Opie and Anthony messed up big (See: Sex For Sam 3) I would fairly report it too, but someone already did. Philips messes up, gets reported on FACTUALLY AND FAIRLY, and that's the way it is. I continue to insist that it stays. Payneos 15:48, 21 Spetember 2005 (UTC)

Given the controversial nature of your claims, Payneos, I would ask that you cite your sources, as is commonly done here on Wikipedia. If this spat is actually noteworthy, I'm sure you can find a news article, press release, or statement from one side or the other. I Googled around briefly and couldn't find anything; perhaps you can. —HorsePunchKid→龜 20:08, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=108439

Short and sweet, cited, noted, and taken care of. Enjoy the read! =) Payneos 19:06, 21 September 2005. (UTC)

Please review my edits to the material you added. It was mostly grammatical clean up and such, but there were a few confusing bits ("terrestrial" radio?) that I'd like to make sure I have not misinterpreted. I have removed sections that sound completely speculative; if there is evidence to support such speculation, I will again ask for a source. Thanks for that link, by the way. Do you happen to know the exact date that Philips made his claim? A few months down the road, readers here will not have any idea when all this took place, assuming the content survives. —HorsePunchKid→龜 08:08, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Payneos, that link just has a picture of a juvenile billboard and a statement that people are feuding with the Philips Phile. It confirms nothing of what you have written, which remains completely unsubstantiated, although HorsePunchKid deserves credit for at least making it NPOV and reasonably concise. Can anyone provide a citation for what actually happened? Wnissen 14:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
This was the only other thing I could find that didn't come from some Internet forum, a medium which will probably never have any credibility to me. Even that link is hardly worth anything. Frankly, I think if this little incident hasn't even warranted an AP/Reuters blurb or a press release, it fails whatever relevant noteworthiness test Wikipedia has. Does that make me deletionist? —HorsePunchKid→龜 03:47, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
The problem with that, is that the show (The Philips Phile) itself is barely Reuters/AP worthy. The five links to wackbag.com I gave are to take one to a review of the day's Opie and Anthony show. It CLEARLY documents the war between the two, including Philips "Juvenile" legal action to silence O&A, the erection of the billboard, coverage of some of the better calls, people who dedicated making soundbytes for the show... the list goes on and on. If worse comes to worse, why not go to www.audibles.com (I believe that's the website) and buy a copy of the shows between July 16th and August 17th. Roughtly those are the dates between the initial strike and the erection of the "juvenile" banner. Payneos 14:08, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

With your super-high standards, that may prove impossible since, unlike TV, radio comes and goes. The only way would be if you checked Wackbag.com (CENTCOM for the Pests) or Philips Phile fan sites, where one may note the increased chatter aboot both shows, and Rocfastrini's coverage of the show day by day. Now that I mention it, I'll go look up each show and cite it here. From Philips' Legal Action to squelch O&A from using recordings from Philips Show, to the erection of the "juvenile" banner, which cost thousands of dollars and shows the power of this "O&A Army." Oh, and I like the current edit. So lets keep it.

http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=29964 http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=30026 http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=30193 http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=30249 http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=31343

Now that's what I call American Efficency. Payneos 15:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Protected

I've protected to give people a chance to discuss the Opie and Anthony feud section properly. Looks to me like that only problem with that section is that it's not sourced. Could someone come up with a source for it? I'll revert to the version without the section until we can have that. --Tony SidawayTalk 18:40, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I've cited SIX sources now, with Horse bringing up a seventh. Any more citing, and I'll be doing a Research Paper. Payneos 20:32, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

The fmbq.com article gives evidence that there was some kind of feud between Philips and Opie and Anthony. The forum threads suggest that this feud is being extended to a website called wackbag.com. However as yet I see no confirmation of the detailed allegations made in the disputed section. --Tony SidawayTalk 21:15, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

"• Off the bat, Op says the phones have exploded so they need to go right to it…

• Caller – talking about the Jim Phillip’s show being attacked

• Op says the attack will continue for a long time, because of the guy’s arrogance. Ant talks about the guy’s claim that he didn’t know who they were, and how that is just ridiculous given their history. He says that the point of the attacks is to ruin the ability of the hosts to go to the phone, and to take that shows callers out of the mix. He says that the listeners enjoy attacking shows, and him calling the out will only make it worse.

• Audio – the ‘Grady’ call to Phillips show that Ant says made him howl.

• Jimmy says that everyone calling the show should just curse, which would really ruin his show.

• Audio from Jim Phillip’s show, saying ‘bring on the callers’ and claiming not to know who O&A are. Ant says he will take pleasure in the fans attacking this guy. They continue with the audio, and point out the ‘useless hole’ on the show. Op plays the clip of Phillips claiming that their show is the #1 show on XM and then…

• Caller – Eric Logan. He explains that he is the head of programming at XM, and that Jim Phillips is nowhere on the list of top channels on XM. He also points out that the reasoning that he was saying about them being taken off the premium channel is ridiculous. He also confirms that their show is a big success, and then he thanks the pest that emailed him about calling in with a Pat Battle reference. Op then runs down a list of other talent that are supposed to join their channel – Ron and Fez, Scott Ferrall and BJ Shea. Op then hangs up on him in mid-sentence after asking him any big XM deals. Op keeps hinting that he has a ‘secret’ about his show. They replay the audio of the guy claiming he has the #1 listening on radio and gets the wrong buzzer. Ant brings up This site with a picture of Jim Phillips. They replay Eric Login reiterating that the guy isn’t #1 on XM. Back to the audio, with the chick making a ‘Minister of Moron’ comment which they tool on.

• Caller – Dugout Doug. They talk about the callers to the show, and the guy that messed up his call and had to punch out. Op says Doug has to call him out on what Eric Logan said on the show.

Upon further scrutiny... I did say it was there.Payneos 22:42, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

Various "contributors” to this page claim to be members of the “O &A Army” A band of who “frequently prepare various assaults on the media, and other attacks too”. They take pride in the fact that they tenaciously frustrate and annoy anyone that O&A tell them too. It has nothing to do with being “right”, it has to do with who has the most fanatical followers. Of course anyone is going to admit that they were wrong, just to get these people to leave them alone. Who knows how many people’s lives have been put on hold, or even ruined, by this group of lay abouts that have nothing better to do than pester the hell out of random citizens, that come to the notice of two morning radio jocks. The constant revisions of this page are just another way in which they attack and attack until someone relents. Even past the point where nobody else cares. Do they really think that they will be rewarded for this action? Is the minute of air time that they get worth the overwhelming effort that they put out? This “feud” barely rates two sentences within a paragraph on the O&A page. Why does it have to be more than half of the article on Philips page? Furthermore simply quoting the O&A show is not recitation of fact. How am I or anyone else to know that your recitation is actually what occurred? And it is a well known fact that radio shows fabricate a great percentage of what goes out on the air. If a person believes everything that comes out of jock’s mouth then they have a real problem.

[User:Ullr}

Flaws in your argument:

O&A didn't tell us to come to Wikipedia and mess with Philips' article, I came here to state fact and seperate myself from the constant vandalism you'll continue to see forever + 10. DId I come here going "O&A PARTY ROCK" and blanking the article? No, so that's fatally flawed right away. Furthermore, the O&A Army has thir own Wiki article as it is, so they HAVE been "rewarded," even by Wikipedia. They're pests, and they pestered the site enough to even get their own mentioning. I'm not out for a reward, I'm out to spread a fact. An encyclopedia is a collection of facts, ne?

Like I said, if you don't believe me, spend the $2.99 on audibles.com and buy the copy of the show from July 17th-August 17th. That should be more then enough fact. You seem to also have a real negative attitude toward radio talk show program hosts. Perhaps you should just... not bother and leave the facts to those who actually care?

"Who knows how many people’s lives have been put on hold, or even ruined, by this group of lay abouts that have nothing better to do than pester the hell out of random citizens, that come to the notice of two morning radio jocks." And this is the most offensive thing you can say. Who the hell are you to judge the actions of others because they want to have some fun? For them, they're a bunch of twenty-something zeros that like to jam phone lines of "enemies" of the O&A Radio Pogram, crash message boards, and generally enjoy life. Philips said something that angered a ton of O&A's fans, they responded, and he couldn't take it. He made up lies, was exposed, had to back down, and to top it off, they erected a banner along his daily commute to rub it in his face that THEY controlled his show because he was that much of an arrogant ass.

Recap: Your argument failed. Go buy the shows on Audibles.com for concrete proof. And don't be offensive. Payneos 02:57, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

I still don't see any verification of the allegation about Philips' claim, or the radio station's response. This isn't enough for Wikipedia. We report facts, not opinions and not unsupported allegations. --Tony SidawayTalk 03:05, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
I supported it, supported it again, what more do you want, a written confession from Philips? I'm giving you facts, you want to report them, so let's report them. We're not getting anywhere by saying "That's not enough proof" it is! Not everything that happens that is fact goes through a major news outlet. With seven credible sources, that should be more then enough. Payneos 04:10, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Well this is radio talk shows, so I'd go with one credible source. Some boasting by the hosts of a rival show isn't a credible source. --Tony SidawayTalk 03:17, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

It's finally unprotected. I'll be busy coming up with more sources when I have the time. Since I disagree about the source quality, I'll still be hounding for it to be in there, but I won't revert it to the proper form until I have more support. Payneos 00:36, 28 September 2005 (UTC)


Evidently, the O&A pest battle is the most significant thing that's ever happened to the Philips Phile show, so I suggest the article stays as is. No mention of O&A, no mention of anything -- nothing happens on the show, apparently. --Kvuo 02:05, 2 October 2005 (UTC)
Damnit Kvuo, where was your backup when I needed it! =P Payneos 02:59, 2 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] O&A Trivia

Looks like an anonymous user is reverting again. Do we need protection again? I think the agreement reached here (to keep a short piece but not the full text) was fine. But I don't want to get into a revert war, so I'll just ask others to post their comments here. --Bill.matthews 23:30, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Notability?

It seems to me that this article does not strongly enough assert the subject's notability. How is this more notable than any other morning talk show in a mid-range market? -Dmz5*Edits**Talk* 17:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

You mean the entire article itself? It does warrant mention, Jim Phillips has made headlines in some ways and has a notable show. All major flagship shows of most radio stations should have a Wikipedia article mentioning. Payneos 05:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
First, it's an afternoon drive show, not a morning show.  :) Second, it's broadcast nationally on XM Satellite Radio (channel 152), so it has a lot more exposure than a typical 'mid-market talk show.' Even folks well outside the WTKS listening area listen to and have discussed the show (http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2005/10/real-radio-philips-phile.asp ). The show claims to be the top rated program of its kind in the state of Florida, although I do not have access to radio ratings books to be able to confirm or deny that (although I imagine that there must be some truth to that if they make that claim day after day on the show). Additionally, the program/host has received a lot of media attention including the above-mentioned Philips Phile/Opie & Anthony spat, a #1 'reader's pick' from the Orlando Weekly (http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/story.asp?id=10842 ), and commentaries by the host on WESH-TV (http://www.wesh.com/jimphilips/index.html ).

I think its national exposure via XM radio is enough to make this popular program notable and worthy enough of inclusion in Wikipedia. -knagl 19 July 2007