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Contents 1 Possible bias 2 Anomaly 3 Good Omens 4 Urban myth? 5 Plot? 6 666 7 Movies mentioned early 8 Fantômas Remake of Soundtrack 9 Hermann Hesse's Demian 10 The mother, a jackal? 11 Curse section 12 't Hof van Commerce 13 The Latin Lyrics to "Ave Satani" 14 Curse of 'The Omen' Nonsense 15 Is it really good? 16 Edit the plot summary 17 POV 18 rbd 19 Headline text

[edit] Possible bias

It appears to me the person(s) who assembled the bulk of this article had a bias against the films. If someone would please rewrite it to eliminate this bias, it would be appreciated.

Heh. I remember when that happened. I had written a far more positive article but it was constantly altered to the more negative viewpoint and at the time I was editing wikipedia much less often and didn't have the time to oppose it. I'll see if I can find time now to give this great movie its due. (NPOV, of course) -Kasreyn 08:59, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

-=Dear Proto==

I'm curious as to why you see the bit about critics feeling The Omen was not Goldsmith's best score to be POV, but you leave in the bit about criticism of the movie's lack of scholarly weight. Are you sure it isn't because you simply have never heard the criticism of the film score before? Because, rest assured, among film music critics and fans alike, is an almost universal agreement that it was an insult to Goldsmith that of all his amazing work, he only earned one Oscar, and for one of his mediocre ones to boot. Cheers, -Kasreyn

[edit] Anomaly

A possible anomlay for The Omen. When did Part III take place? I ask because Damian was grown up (he would have to be about 35 or 40) in Part III. Therefore it must take place 30 years after the main action of the first film. I presume that the first film took place when it was released i.e. in the 1970's. Therefore Part III had to take place around the year 2000.

[edit] Good Omens

I feel it may be worth mentioning that the book "Good Omens" by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman was a satire to this film(s). It could be listed in the novel section anyways.

[edit] Urban myth?

Is there a source for "The insinuation being that it was like the scene from the film and most chilling of all it happened next to a mile post indicating they were 66.6km outside the town of Ommen.". I find at least the mile-post part to be highly unlikely. Mile-posts tend to be whole numbers (60 or 70), and even if they aren't whole, I find it doubtful that any government would install a 66.6 mile-post, considering the superstitions surrounding the number.

• Well they do have mile markers in 10ths too, but governments usually do change roads, street numbers, and other things to avoid 666.

• I added the bit about John Richardson and the car crash because its true, on the night the re-release of the Omen came out there was a program on Channel 4 called 'The Curse of the Omen' in which many people who had been working on the film talked about their bizare experiences, such as the plane they hired for filming air shots of London had to be postponed, the plane they would have flown crash-landed. The hotel the director and his wife were staying in was blown up by the IRA just as they were leaving. It is true! Ian42 09:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

• That's not quite proof though. Just because they CLAIM its true doesn't mean it is. Any hard proof? Since every time one of these movies comes out, religious in the least, it tends to bring out urban myths that the crew propagate for better press.

• 40 miles is approximately 64,5 kilometers. I believe you guys didn't actually read what measurement system that was used. --abach 11:43, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot?

There are pretty much no plot details. Would someone care to fix that?

[edit] 666

the omen: why is it coming out on the date 06/06/06? -You Moron 06:66, 06 June 2006 (UTC)

Are you joking? Because 666 is the "Number of the Beast" in some Christianity.. why don't you make use of wikipedia, you moron.

[edit] Movies mentioned early

Such as to the devil a daughter, I don't want to live, Holocaust 2000--they all lack Wikipedia articles. Anybody know enough about those films to make a stub or two, at least? I suppose I could research them if no one happens to know. Umdunno

I was just surfing IMDB, and the plot of 'To the Devil a Daughter' seems to be as follows (I haven't watched the movie, and the reviews acknoweledge that it's sort of incoherent): Template:Spoilers

• A guy agreed to give his virgin daughter to a satanic cult when she hit 18. This was so that the leader of the cult could knock her up with his child, which would really be the devil's child. However, now the father's reconsidered, but the leader of the cult (played by Christopher Lee) isn't going to give up so easily...
• Some sort of full-frontal nudity shots, a bizarre (dream?) sequence involving a birth sequence or something...
• The father throws a rock at the cult leader, and the cult leader dies/disappears/something in the worst anticlimatic ending in movie history. 169.229.121.94 20:02, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fantômas Remake of Soundtrack

I added in the Trivia section that Fantômas made a remake of the soundtrack. Just wanted to let you people know!

--Zouavman Le Zouave 16:45, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hermann Hesse's Demian

I always thought that Demian was an inspiration to the name of Damien in The Omen. I always thought it was universally known, but I didn't see the connection in the article. Am I the only one who ever thought that? Nazroon 16:46, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The mother, a jackal?

So much of this movie, whether the old or the new, was based out of the bible and stuff, I was wondering if the preparation of the anti-christ's birth, specifically the mother being a jackal, had anything to do with an actual biblical or mythological reference. I don't know, I guess I just really dig when movies actually reference mythology/occult rites and rituals/history rather than making things up for the sake of telling a story. If anybody may know anything about that that would be cool.

I thought the mother was a dog ???? 80.229.222.48 16:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the mother being a dog it was shown that the Thorn's real child was buried in the grave next to it's supposed mother & clearly showed a hole in its skull which Robert confirms to the audience that his son was murdered to facilitate the switch. Also the movie mentions that Brennan was a reformed minion of the devil having a triple 6 on his thigh which was mentioned by the photojournalist to Robert from the autopsy. Brennan mentioned he was trying to repent before he died for some unspeakeable acts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.175.113.138 (talk) 08:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Curse section

I deleted the curse section again, because a documentary does not qualify as a reliable source. Don't forget that wikipedia as a tertiary information provider needs reliable sources: published non-fiction books at best, but never a documentary that was filmed in the periphery of a horror movie. I don't mind if you incorporate a sentence about the docu into the text, but this section seems like fan cruft and it's technically WP:OR. Kncyu38 08:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

A documentary is a reliable source depending on the sources used to make that documentary. In this case, the sources are primary. The sources are the cast and crew of the film. Even if it were "cruft", that is not reason for deletion per se and it cannot possibly be WP:OR as it's not information appearing for the first time in Wikipedia. Please discuss and gain consensus before re-deleting Mallanox 09:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

It would still be better to write a little paragraph about that documentary and it's content (maybe as an introduction to the section) than to just list the "mysterious incidents". Could read something like:

In 2006, on the occasion of the release of the remake and the 30th anniversary of the original, the TV documentary The Curse of 'The Omen' (add IMDB reference here) was produced. It describes a number of events that occured in the periphery of the production and features interviews with some of the original production crew, among them director Richard Donner.

Just something like that, to clarify that the info is derived directly from the documentary. Kncyu38 11:25, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Good idea. I've kept it short and incorporated it into what was already there. Mallanox 01:46, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Why not. Seems ok to me. Kncyu38 22:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 't Hof van Commerce

Added entry on the 't Hof van Commerce song. The sampled part is very recognizable, so I thought it was worth the mention. --Caustic Armadillo 01:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The Latin Lyrics to "Ave Satani"

My Latin is too rusty to tell, but does anyone know if Goldsmith based the choral text on Classical Latin or Church (Ecclesiastical) Latin? Whichever one it is should be noted in the article. Ours18 05:17, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Curse of 'The Omen' Nonsense

Long before 2005 (1984 actually) a book entitled "Fifty Worst Films of All Time" delt with some of the urban myths surrounding the film in particular: "Scriptwriter David Seltzer's plane was struck by lightning."

As the book points out for a plane to be struck by lightning is niether a rare nor (in most cases) particularly dangerous occurance. 80.229.222.48 21:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

A lot of the biblical references in the film were made up.

[edit] Is it really good?

The article seems to say that the film is a classic, and was well received. But, I've read in a couple of books that when it was released, it was ridiculed by critics, some even calling it one of the worst movies ever made. Modern books still show this as well. 156.34.238.216 (talk) 15:34, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit the plot summary

I just watched "The Omen" on AMC - they've run all three back to back. I tried to edit the summary of the plot to add details that Damien is shown holding the hand of the President of the United States, but I was told that the changes were unproductive. I think that it underlines the sinisterness of the final scene. I am not trying to vandalize articles, merely correct them. Maybe someone will be allowed to make the corrections to the plot summary.

Yeah, before the sequel was made, I thought the implication was that he was being adopted by the cockadoody president, but that seemed to be forgotten, didn't it? And you who wrote that previous paragraph, sign or date or something, please. Not doing so makes it look like I who am answering you, said what you said.72.145.147.175 (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] POV

This article is POV and reads like a movie review. Phrases like, "chillingly effective" don't belong. 72.145.147.175 (talk) 22:02, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] rbd

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