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[edit] Merger

I don't suggest that ALL of the Gwen Stacy article should be moved here, but I think the section regarding her death, the controversy that surrounded it, and the impact on the comics industry should be split off. The two articles contain a lot of duplicate information... but the issue itself is considered a defining moment of the Bronze Age of comics and probably deserves its own page. -- HKMARKS 23:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I feel it should be merged in the opposite direction. --Chris Griswold 06:26, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Kraven's Last Hunt, The Death of Jean DeWolff, Spider-Man: The Other, The Death of Superman, A Death in the Family etc., and many other major storylines all have their own pages. Gwen Stacy's page should be more biographical; too much emphasis is on her death and too little on the character. Also, The Night Gwen Stacy Died contains information specific to the issue that definitely doesn't belong on the Gwen Stacy page. -- HKMARKS 01:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Merge The Night Gwen Stacy Died into Gwen Stacy. "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" doesn't have the formalization of being a TPB separated story, it's basically two issues of a comic (and as far as I recall didn't have the 'title' as this article does). I agree it's a far more important story in Spider-Man history that, well, arguably any other, but that just means a detailed description of the events, significance and effects would nicely enhance any main Gwen Stacy article -Markeer 16:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The story was collected into a TPB, called "The Death of Gwen Stacy" (probably a better name for the article). (It's also included in the "Spider-Man vs. the Green Goblin" TPB). "The Night Gwen Stacy Died" was ASM #121, and "The Goblin's Last Stand" was #122. (The Death of Captain Stacy is also in TPB.)
I'm not 100% married to either direction. If "NGSD" is merged into "GS" or isn't, GS needs a pretty big reorganization. -- HKMARKS 17:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, I'm in if you are, Helen. --Chris Griswold 20:18, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. Gwen's death is obviously part of her biography, and since we don't actually live in the Marvel Universe, the real-life impact of a character is just as important as her biographical info. Redxiv 23:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Oppose. Much of the detail about this storyline should instead be moved from the Gwen Stacy article to here. Considering how this story also deals with the death of the Green Goblin, and especially how it has been retold in other media with Mary Jane substituted, the story is larger than just the character and so cannot be contained as a mere subtopic of the Stacy article. Postdlf 23:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Oppose. Gwen Stacy is her own chracter and there is a lot that surrounds her and her life in general throughout various incarnations. With the Spider Man 3 movie on it's way, this page is going to get a lot more hits, and it's going to be a shame if the first thing fans see is, in bold letters at the top of the page, "The Night Gwen Stacy Died". Huge spoiler, and will stink for new fans. AntiCruise 14:27, 1 July 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Good point. --Chris Griswold 22:18, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

We seem to have 3 options going:

  • 1) Put it all in 'Gwen Stacy'.
  • 2) Leave it as is.
  • 3) Leave some in 'Gwen Stacy' (ie "she died, it was tragic and controversial, more at "NGSD") but move parts *specifically* related the Plot, Controversy, Aftermath, and Tributes, retellings, cover image, etc. to 'NGSD'.

Please be specific. HKMARKS 23:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm for #3 HKMARKS 23:29, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Me too; it makes the most editorial sense. Postdlf 23:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm for #3 as well. Give Gwen her own page, but keep everything about her death in one place. --InShaneee 00:25, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Put it all in Gwen Stacy --Chris Griswold 01:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

That would make the article pretty gi-normous. --InShaneee 01:35, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

After 5 days with no comments, I'd say this is a clear No merge. CovenantD 05:06, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

I have separated it out as described in option 3, and expanded the Gwen Stacy#The Death of Gwen Stacy bit a little to give a short overview of the story and why it was controversial. - HKMARKS 00:18, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Death threats against creators

I remember reading several years ago that the Marvel offices recieved death threats after killing Gwen. (And that naturally, being only human, they forwarded them to police.) But I cannot remember where I read this. Does anyone know, or know of another source for that information? I probably read it in a TPB collection released in the 1990s. - HKMARKS 00:10, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The NIGHT Gwen Stacy Died?

Why is the story called the NIGHT Gwen Stacy died when it wasn't dark outside? (Or was it dark outside?) UnDeRsCoRe 02:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

It's one of life's great mysteries. In the scene where Norman goes nutty and decides to kill Gwen, the sky is black. However, for the rest of the story (before and after that) it's blue -- but sometimes a darkish blue. Maybe it was a summer evening? Maybe "night" just sounded better than "day?" --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 02:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
  • And another thing, why is it that Gwen is seen dead in her green trenchcoat, but then on the cover of 122, she wearing a pink one? Is this another inconsistency, or am I just color blind? UnDeRsCoRe 17:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
No big mystery there -- the cover was probably coloured by someone other than the person who coloured the interior. (And drawn by John Romita, while the interior was drawn by Gil Kane.) The interior art is consistent, though. Colouring used to be done in a rather piecemeal way. The colorist sketched out the colours in marker, then -- as I understand it -- a room full of little old ladies cut out Zip-A-Tone and pasted it to get it ready for photography. Eventually the room full of old ladies were replaced by computers, so in the early days of computer colouring the colorist and "separations" were credited separately. Then someone noticed they could combine the two and save some time. (But I digress...)
Errors like that are not uncommon -- Blood Spider had two completely different costumes entirely due to the colouring. --HKMarksTALKCONTRIBS 18:36, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

When is someone going to point out that shocks from falls do not kill people? --141.225.77.194 21:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Another source of confusion

In the prose novel Goblin's Revenge by Dean Wesley Smith, the Chameleon posing as the Green Goblin also kidnaps MJ Watson and takes her to the top of the Brooklyn Bridge.

Enda80 12:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)Enda80

[edit] Did Gwen really die at the bridge?

Gwen is not shown awake or for that matter breathing after we see the Goblin approach her in Peter's appartment. For all we know, she was already dead when Spider-Man arrived at the bridge, and the whole event was just a ruse to get Spider-Man to surrender himself. It may not have been the creators' intention, but there's no reason it can't be interpreted that way (particularly in light of recent retcons). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MultipleTom (talk • contribs) 15:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC).

I don't buy the "shock of the fall" theory. Impacts kill people, not falls. If she had a pre-existing heart condition, the realization she was falling to her death (if she was conscious) could have caused a fatal heart attack. But I don't believe there was any pre-existing medical condition. That leaves the Goblin killed her before the fall, or Spider-Man accidentally killed her.

And wasn't there a story set in "the bar with no name", where Osborne tells a bunch of other Spider-Man villians that he did kill Gwen? --Mightyfastpig 22:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Replays" redundancy?

I was reading this article and noticed that there seems to be a redundancy in the "Replays" section. It says how Mary Jane fell from a building, and Spider Man, learning from his mistakes with Gwen, caught her with multiple strands of web, rather than just one. And then after that, it tells a shorter, but identical story, only citing it being from a different book. I'm not familiar with the Spider Man stories at all, so I can't tell if it's simply an error, and the same occurance was mentioned twice or not. If they are, in fact, different occurances, perhaps someone should make that more clear, so it's not as confusing. CherryFlavoredAntacid 03:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

It's been fixed, so nevermind this. CherryFlavoredAntacid 00:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

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