Talk:The Music Man

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Contents 1 Glossary 1.1 Time Period 2 Actors 3 Need more song articles 4 Expanded Plot Summary 5 Article improvement 6 References in Family Guy

[edit] Glossary

Regrettably, the Glossary of terms and names used in "The Music Man", apart from the introductory paragraph, appears to have been copied directly from http://www.doggedresearch.com/wilson/glossary.htm . I've deleted it. Please don't reinsert it.

Yes, per WP:COPYRIGHT since doing so is copyvio, and per WP:RS because random blogs are not reliable sources to begin with. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Time Period

In the glossary, it lists some cultural references from the period of the play's setting, but also includes Chaucer, who is hardly from the early 1900's. Show it be removed, or is there some other reason it's mentioned?

Moot issue. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Well in case you're still curious, Chaucer, Rabelais, and Balzac are the three authors the town's ladies mentionen when stating that Marion advocates "dirty books". 75.185.161.15 (talk) 17:52, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Actors

I think it would be prudent to include a list of noteworthy actors who have played the lead roles on Broadway as many other musical listings do. CrashCart9 21:18, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Need more song articles

We need more song sub-articles; there are only four, and "Trouble" positively screams for its own article. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 07:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Expanded Plot Summary

I think the plot summary could be expanded, especially regarding song placement. I'll edit and expand it as necessary unless anyone has any significant objections.MarianKroy (talk) 15:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. That would be great! Please break it into acts like so:

Act I

Act II

Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Edits are done. Unfortunately, I forgot to log in again, so it's under my URL. I hope it's not too long. I realized while writing this summary that The Music Man is my favorite musical.MarianKroy (talk) 21:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL. You need to click on "remember me" when you log-in. Yes, it's 'way too long. Can you slim it down by about 50%? Sorry! We usually shoot for a maximum of about 1,000 words. The other ones you worked on are a perfect length. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Super! That does the trick! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:42, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Article improvement

The article needs more background: How did the show come to be conceived and written, and what happened during the genesis. Also, needs more critical reception and more description of the major productions. Good work so far! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I added some more background information about the show's development.MarianKroy (talk) 03:06, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Looks good, but it needs a refernce. See WP:V. Can you add a citation? See WP:CITE for how to cite references in Wikipedia. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I added three citations today for the information I added yesterday.MarianKroy (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

That is super! You should add the ISBN numbers if available. Take a look at the minor edits that I did to your cites. Start your cite right after the punctuation, with no space, and you can just say p. or pp. Putting in great citations like this makes your additions to Wikipedia extremely valuable, because a well-referenced, well-balanced, comprehensive encyclopedia is the goal. (But you don't need citations to plot summaries, since they're just a summary of the libretto). You're doing a great job already, and I'm so glad you're here! I suggest that you check out WP:MUSICALS and join the project. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

If you want to take on a dirty job next, try to reorganize and rewrite the "In Popular culture" section into narrative paragraphs that explain how these disparate items are significant to the musical and show that the musical is important in our culture. This is a difficult job. If you want to see an example of how I have done it in the past (in this case, there was so much of it that I made a separate article of it), see: Cultural influence of Gilbert and Sullivan. Also, don't be afraid to delete something if you think it just isn't notable and does not add to the article. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 23:41, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Much better. If you can add any references, that would be even better. -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, also the article still needs a critical reception section describing the reactions of the critics and audiences in the Broadway production and other major productions (if available), and contaning a couple of quotes from reviews, as well as citations. If an article is on the internet, you can cite it like this: <ref>[http://www.doggedresearch.com/wilson/index.htm "A Brief History of ''The Music Man''"]</ref>

I tried to turn the popular culture section into a better paragraph. I deleted some things and moved others to the movie article. It's not great, so I'll probably return to working on it later.24.16.111.20 (talk) 09:52, 21 May 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MarianKroy (talk • contribs) 22:01, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References in Family Guy

There are at least *two* major "Music Man" references in Family Guy, which should be included in the popular references section. I don't remember which episodes, but there's one where Lois and Brian do a spot-on parody of the piano lesson song, and there's another where Peter joins the New England Patriots, and, after scoring a touchdown, as a touchdown celebration, does a *complete* version of Shipoopi, complete with all the choreography and everything (it was amazing!). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.111.20 (talk) 09:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Find out what episodes you mean, find the link to them on wikipedia and then add the information to the article. There's no rush. Best regards, -- Ssilvers (talk) 12:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)