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[edit] Rue Morgue (magazine)

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For the magazine Rue Morgue, see Rue Morgue (magazine).

at the top of this article was moved into a "See also" section. I changed Rue Morgue to redirect to the magazine because that seemed to make more sense. Midnightdreary 18:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary

This is one of the few articles that actually needs an expanded plot summary (most are way too long). Anyway, if anyone wants to give it a go, that would be great. Midnightdreary 16:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pop references

So the whole list of references in popular culture (or whatever it was called) was removed. Sure enough, within a couple hours someone started adding similar material. I'm wondering if we should discuss this stuff officially. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen isn't the only piece of literature that references "Rue Morgue." Anyway, thoughts? --Midnightdreary 15:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

If you check around to my other edits, I am pretty aggressive at removing mere trivia that's not notable. At least some of the examples that were removed here I think are fairly notable. WP:TRIVIA says they should not be in mere lists, especially as it's so easy to add junk at the end to make it balloon out of control. It doesn't say delete all of it indiscriminately. Even in the currently disputed section that was added and removed to WP:NOT it wouldn't say all these needed to go. We should prioritize though. The magazine with the same names seems particularly notable. Thoughts? DreamGuy 17:07, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
These types of sections are tough. More than notability, I'd question WP:OR; we'd need a source that proves the given song/book/movie/video game is referencing this story and it's not just a coincidence. I agree with full sentences though. The more info we have on context, the better. --Midnightdreary 18:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Minor addendum: I wasn't the one that removed the original list of cultural references. Just to be clear. :) --Midnightdreary 18:57, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Err, well, most of these are extremely obvious. It'd be odd to demand sources for things are completely undeniable. Clive Barker's "New Murders in the Rue Morgue" and LXG reference the original story extremely frequently and explicitly. The Rue Morgue magazine should be pretty obvious too. These aren't OR in the sense that no "research" is actually involved It's not a question of reading through the lines, as it's in your face. DreamGuy 18:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Well, I wouldn't make too many assumptions. My concern is that "Rue Morgue" is just the name of a street in Paris; so, just because a work mentions the street doesn't make it relative to this story. And, still, even obvious references don't necessarily add anything to this article (WP:TRIVIA seems to indicate the same) even if it's "notable" (and most of these options will be debatable). Anyway, my recommendation is to have a few strong, obvious references written in prose-form (like you suggest) here, and then lead people to the Edgar Allan Poe in television and film and/or Edgar Allan Poe and music articles. My other guess is that no one else will respond to this query but, even so, we should give a few days before making our consensus. :) --Midnightdreary 19:49, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Also, in Ray Bardbury's Martian chronicals, the story "usher II" is about multiple poe Murder stories being reinacted on people who burned books as subversive material, and a woman is stuffed into a fireplace by an "ape". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.61.163.146 (talk) 01:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "G--"

Someone keeps changing "G--" to "God." This is NOT a reference to God, but a reference to the prefect's name, which is unrevealed beyond its first letter. Please, do not change again. --Midnightdreary 14:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good Article

Hello to anyone who watches this page! I'm interested in bringing this article up to Good Article status if anyone wants to help out. This isn't necessarily one of my favorite stories, but it's literary importance almost demands that its Wikipedia article be at Good status. Anyone willing to help? --Midnightdreary 13:41, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed allusions section

This is the section about Allusions/references from other works... it was removed as irrelevant, unless anyone wants to make a case for it.

  • "Murders in the Rue Morgue" is also the name of a song by Iron Maiden inspired by Poe's story. The song appears on their second album, Killers This song was later covered by the Swedish Death Metal pioneers, In Flames on their 1994 EP, Subterranean.
  • The horror culture magazine Rue Morgue took its name from the story.
  • Clive Barker's "New Murders in the Rue Morgue" appears in volume two of his Books of Blood
  • Dwayne Esper's film Maniac contained a character who believed himself to be a reincarnation of the orangutan.
  • Auguste Dupin sees history repeating itself in the pages of the comic book League of Extraordinary Gentlemen by Alan Moore and Kevin O'Neill, where new murders are committed in Rue Morgue by no less than Robert Louis Stevenson's Mister Hyde. Among the victims is Émile Zola's Nana.
  • Bob Dylan's song "Just Like Tom Thumb Blues" from 1965's Highway 61 Revisited includes the lyrics "Don't put on any airs when you're down on Rue Morgue Avenue," which may be a reference to this story.
  • The song "Little Dysfunk You" by swedish pop group The Ark contains the lyrics "I'll be the murder on the Rue Morgue you're trying to solve".

I would recommend anything worthwhile be removed to Edgar Allan Poe and music or Edgar Allan Poe in television and film. Or whatever is appropriate. --Midnightdreary (talk) 14:34, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Good article nomination

GA reviewer, feel free to leave comments here. Thanks! --Midnightdreary (talk) 22:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Successful good article nomination

I am glad to report that this article nomination for good article status has been promoted. This is how the article, as of January 2, 2008, compares against the six good article criteria:

1. Well written?: Pass
2. Factually accurate?: Pass
3. Broad in coverage?: Pass
4. Neutral point of view?: Pass
5. Article stability? Pass
6. Images?: Pass: There is only one image, but then perhaps it is the only available image for the article topic. I wonder if there is any old (not necessarily first printing) cover art for the story, but it will probably be under fair use which should be kept at minimum.

If you feel that this review is in error, feel free to take it to Good article reassessment. Thank you to all of the editors who worked hard to bring it to this status, and congratulations.— BorgQueen (talk) 13:15, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Translations

I am fairly certain that the story has been translated into a lot of languages, but only the French one is mentioned in the article. The Japanese wiki article has a long list of Japanese translations, beginning in 1913. If reliable sources can be found, such history of various translations will make a nice informative addition to this article, in my view. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Though not all translations or re-printings are notable, in my future research I'll try to keep an eye out for further information on "Rue Morgue" around the world. I'll also try to pay attention for possible images to add in. Thanks for reviewing!! --Midnightdreary (talk) 01:39, 3 January 2008 (UTC)