Talk:The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve

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[edit] Novelization differences

If anyone is familiar with the differences between the serial and the novelization, could you add a section listing some of them? Thanks! 23skidoo 07:42, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

It's many, many years since I read it but I think the novelisation has a framing device of a couple of Time Lords visiting the Doctor in his garden and accusing him of meddling with time. There's also something about a wood carving... And I think the Doctor is in it rather more than the TV story. Not much help, is it? Sorry. —Whouk (talk) 13:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

From what I've read (although I've yet to read the book itself) the novelisation basically junks the televised plot and starts again. The Doctor is far more active and at one stage is impersonating the Abbot. The scene with Dodo's arrival is removed but she is mentioned when the Time Lords confront the Doctor. And erm... I'll post on Outpost Gallifrey to see if anyone can help. Timrollpickering 17:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

As an aside: I saw a clip of Elizabeth R last night in which a character refers to the massacre itself as "The Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve" (rolls eyes) —Whouk (talk) 13:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Bizarre! More pertinantly several prominent historians, including G. M. Trevelyan and Hugh Trevor-Roper both call the event "the Massacre of St Bartholomew" in books that were either written or republished in the 1960s - I suspect a lot of the confusion about what the story's name refers to stems from later generations who've only seen it in history books as the "St. Bartholomew's Day massacre". (And that's a misnomer in itself - see Talk:St. Bartholomew's Day massacre#St Adrian's Day Massacre?)

Looking again at Andrew Pixley's By Any Other Name article, it seems to me that originally the story was to be called just "The Massacre of St Bartholomew" which is entirely logical and in line with what the historians of the time were using. Somewhere along the line "'s Eve" got added - was someone in the production office either muddling up their history (the contemporary Radio Times did mention the story "is soon to culminate in the bloody massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve") or deciding to modify the title to emphasise the story is about the events leading up to the Massacre rather than the Massacre itself? Timrollpickering 21:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I've just done a Google search for '"Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve" - "doctor who"' and although there are still some references to the story, there are quite a few links to websites that do indeed say "Massacre of St Bartholomew's Eve". See for instance [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] This would suggest that the name for this story is by no means a one-off usage. Timrollpickering 02:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Episode possibly found?

I was the one who put the information about a gateworld forum member claiming to find an episode. Here's the link to the forum area were it mentions it. I know it says the Beginning boxset but the episode information is mentioned around the first page. Here's the link http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=22851 Finalwars 20:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for that. Unless the episode is confirmed found, I don't think this should be noted in the article though - anyone can post a message like that online. The fact that he refers to the episode as Bartholomew's Eve is pretty suspicious as that's not a title he would have found on-screen. —Whouk (talk) 21:01, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It sounds decidedly dodgy to me. (Sorry, I removed the note as "no citation" because I hadn't seen this talk page yet, but I'm not restoring it just because the whole thing sounds extremely unlikely - copied video tapes of The Massacre? I don't think so.) --khaosworks (talk • contribs) 22:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)