Talk:The Magnificent

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  • One {{fact}} tag
  • Context section needed (place in Drummond/Cauty 'timeline'); Bosnian War situation also needs a brief explanation.
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  • Check article is complete
  • GA nom
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[edit] Article potential

I think there is potential for a decent-sized non-fancruft article here. The motivation for the article is that "One World Orchestra" are not K Foundation but a distinct Drummond/Cauty outfit which isn't properly covered. It would include Robbie Williams, Bosnia/Serbia contradictions, their long-felt desire to cover The Magnificent Seven theme, and their Million Quid Malarky. There's a whole chapter of 45 dealing with it, as well as the following interesting exchange from K Foundation Burn a Million Quid. So there can be decent context, evolution and composition sections, but we would need to find some reviews. We've got the following sources:

  • Excerpt from K Foundation Burn a Million Quid
    • 5 December 1995
    • Member of Audience: "If you think it's no good that you're giving a million to charity and that, why did you put that crap song on that crap fucking compilation record for charity? Why raise £1 milion—what the fuck was the point of it?"
    • Cauty: "No, you're right, you're right—it was a mistake; we should never have done that."
    • ...
    • Drummond: "We got asked on the Thursday, would we go into the studio to record a track for the Help album and help the kids in Bosnia? Already we'd agreed that we were going to Serbia that same week to show our film of us burning a million quid to the Serbians ... and we'd been told that the Help album was trying to raise a million quid. … So when we got asked to do this track for this album … we were attracted to the idea that on one side we were doing this track for the kids, to raise a million, while we were actually on the 'other side' showing the film of us actually burning a million and asking if it was a crime against humanity. For some twisted reason we felt that was good. … [W]e phoned up this radio station called Radio B92 in Serbia that was promoting our visit and asked this DJ called Fleka if he'd got anything he'd like to say to the world via a charity record for kids in Bosnia. … We recorded his statement down the phone. We also agreed with Fleka that the track could be a jingle for his show. … Nothing justifies the track—it was a pile of shit but it did serve as a reminder why we should never go back in the studio again—'cos we knew we were past it…"
  • 45
    • (Have to be careful here) In which Drummond claims that, according to BBC World Service, the track became the anthem not just of B92 but also of the Serbian democracy movement.

--Vinoir 19:02, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Hey, it's a good job I decided to wikistalk your contributions as this wasn't on my watchlist :P (it is now). Will think about it and reply tommorow. Sounds like there's some potential, and perhaps it could be done at the same time as cleaning up the K Foundation article. As you've probably noticed, I've resumed trawling through my new press clippings library today and I imagine a lot of KF material will pop up. --kingboyk 21:37, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gosh

...this is a nice article!

Thanks! --Vinoir 21:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

I suppose we ought to turn DJ Fleka blue, if there enough sources? Do we have anything other than his obituary? --kingboyk 13:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

The song was used as the theme to Dominik Diamond's Sportscall on Radio 5, but alas I can't find any sources. --kingboyk 13:55, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I think Fleka should go blue, if we can summon enough stuff. I noticed there is a journal article that mentions Fleka, here. Do you still have the ability to lay your hands on the electronic text of such things? If so, that would also come in very handy for reviews of The Help Album, which has stumped me somewhat. :-)
There is a New York Times article here that gives him a brief contextualised mention. There is also this, an excerpt from here:
[In Spring 1993,] Miomir Grujic Fleka, a cult-personality of the underground scene of the eighties commenced a new wave of events by starting a long-term project called Urbazona.
"As a movement, Urbazona is neither an artistic fraternity, nor selection, nor a team gathered on firmly formulated and precisely defined programmatic foundations, but a gathering of individuals, ideas and poetics, whose language and energetic charge could hardly fit into the compressed, intolerant and overly tragicomical system of cultural values". (M. Grujic, "Uputstvo za prijem i dalje emitovanje" – Guidelines for reception and further broadcasting, catalogue for Action No. 5).
The project has produced since 1993 (and today is March 1996) around fifty different actions ranging from exhibitions in various formal and informal halls, fashion shows, performances, concerts, music cassettes. Urbazona was responsible for active participation of Radio B92 in creating and producing the town's cultural scene.
I'm coming round to thinking that Fleka should be the article name and DJ Fleka a redirect. --Vinoir 21:18, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not sure if my password still works for ProQuest, but it might. Please remind me in a few days if I haven't responded! (And, should I no longer have access, I believe User:Unint has access). --kingboyk 20:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Okey-dokey, will do. :) Cheers. --Vinoir 00:09, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a few sources in the zip file I gave you. If you no longer have it, I think it's on the DVD too. For example, I now have open before me a full copy of the article "Belgrade's battle station". --kingboyk 00:03, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:DYK

This article is still eligible, if you think anything is front-page worthy. --kingboyk 17:52, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I had considered it and decided against it, because I didn't think The KLF name should be on the front page again so soon. But now I've had a change of heart and put it forward (without mentioning The KLF in the fact). :) --Vinoir 02:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I suggested:

[edit] References

Yes, it's really me - just giving a few pointers...

  • The 'Composition' section only has one reference.
  • "this collaborative idea was abandoned.[3][1]". Switch the refs around so it's [1][3].
  • "Drummond and Cauty agreed to visit Serbia and appear on Fleka's radio show." Reference needed.
  • "In Yugoslavia nobody ever dreamt of wealth"-Format quote.
  • Put "webpage.com" before Retrieved, so they are in black and are easier to read.
  • Reference 13 needs fixing.
  • Lead split into two or three?
  • Dave and Ansell Collins "Double Barrel" song ("the magnificent") is sampled on the single. They should be referenced.

andreasegde 17:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, will respond later or (more likely) tommorow. Cheers. --kingboyk 19:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Review

I made a few minor edits for punctuation and such; this article's a hair from passing, but I agree with the above editor's contention that the appearance on the radio show should be referenced, and the album cover should have a detailed fair use rationale. Pending that, it's a pass. Chubbles 02:17, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. The main author is away, so I've taken care of this.
Footnote number 11 covers their appearance on B92. I have the article (from the research database ProQuest) and it clearly states the duo were a guest on the show in September. I've moved the note and added a passim to make it clear that the citation covers the next sentence too. --kingboyk 16:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Passed Chubbles 18:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your time, most appreciated. Thanks also to Andrew for helping out on this article :) --kingboyk 17:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Correct Name

I've been trying to find out what the exact name The KLF went by for the Magnificent. The differences between the names are small. For example it is sometimes written as 'Childrens' rather than 'Children's'. What i want to work out is whether the last word of the name is 'Guards' or 'Guard'. The Magnificent article has it as 'Guard'. and The Help Album article has it as Guards. Bill Drummonds '45' book has it as 'Guard' Can any one confirm this? Chadwholovedme 13:33, 28 October 2007 (UTC)