Talk:The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)

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Because of their length, the previous discussions on this page have been archived. If further archiving is needed, see Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.

Previous discussions:

• Archive 1 (7 October 2004 to 22 December 2005):
• Archive 2 (22 December 2005 to 27 March 2006):
• Archive 3 (27 March 2006 to 9 December 2006)
• Archive 4 (13 December 2006 to 21 January 2007)
• Archive 5 (next to start):

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Contents 1 Archival 2 Plot 3 Film Book 4 Comic book adaptation 5 Legacy 6 Copyedit 7 Bakshi quote on Jackson

[edit] Archival

Why was the last Talk archived? It only covered just over one month, and had three items in it? I have restored two of them, as I do not believe these were sorted out. So I have restored A Critique and United Artists deemed the film a flop from Archive 4.StephenBuxton 17:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

• Both of these issues have been resolved. I didn't want these old discussions to take up so much space. As they have been taken care of, there is no need for anyone to be concerned with them. (Ibaranoff24 21:39, 23 January 2007 (UTC))
  • Regarding the idea that the film might have been a flop, I flipped through Leonard Maltin's book on animation while in New York a while ago. According to him, Bakshi had only two major successes in his career, and LOTR was one of them (the other was Fritz the Cat). I added that bit of info to the article. I'm not sure what page this was on, though. (Ibaranoff24 06:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Plot

The film's plot is too long. Keeping with the current criteria for Featured Articles, they must meet the Manual of Style for their respective WikiProject, which wants plots closer to 600 words, unless they are complicated plots. LOTR isn't a complicated plot. It may have a lot of detail, but complicated it's not.  BIGNOLE   (Question?)  (What I do)  19:49, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Film Book

When the film was released it appears that there were still tentative plans to produce a sequel. The tie-in 'Film Book' (a simplified re-telling of the novel) was published in 1979, and the text of the inside cover jacket states: "The Lord of the Rings is to be released as two films and this book follows the story of the first."

Does anyone have this book? Can someone Wikify this text and add it back to the article using the cite book template? (Ibaranoff24 04:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC))

• Never mind, I found it on Google Books. (Ibaranoff24 12:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Comic book adaptation

Please use citations when adding material to the article. Information that cannot be factually verified will be removed. (Ibaranoff24 15:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Legacy

There has been some concern that the images in the 'Legacy' section are not clear/bright enough. We should definitely try for the clearest images possible, but my computer is down at the moment, so I can't capture or upload any screenshots at the moment. If anyone wants to upload new images for the Legacy section (illustrating the similarity in shot set-ups between the Ralph Bakshi and Peter Jackson film adaptations), feel free. (Ibaranoff24 02:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC))

I don't know how to create screenshots, so I can't help, but if someone else is going to make new screenshots, the "Proudfeet" moment might have a more solid fair use rationale than the Nazgûl in Bree, because Jackson explicitly acknowledged that as a tribute to Bakshi's film. At the moment, the similarity between the two Bree scenes is unsourced. (I personally agree that Jackson's version of that scene, and the first encounter with the Black Rider where the hobbits hide in the tree roots, owes a debt to Bakshi, but we really should have a source for that other than our own interpretations.) —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 03:11, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Copyedit

This article, or a portion of it, was copyedited by the League of Copyeditors in September 2007. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. Copyeditor(s): Cricketgirl 16:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC) Proofreader: Galena11 14:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Some copyediting concerns:

• I have some concerns about the amount of the article based on Bakshi's quotes - I blockquoted them to improve the readability of the page, but I think more information from sources other than Bakshi would improve the article.
• I commented out an Aragorn quote because I couldn't understand its relevance to the passage.
• Sometimes Aragorn is referred to as Aragorn and sometimes as Strider. This needs clarification. Cricketgirl 16:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bakshi quote on Jackson

An anonymous editor recently removed the sentence "I thought that was kind of fucked up" from Bakshi's quote about Peter Jackson's version of LOTR, apparently under the mistaken impression that it had been added as vandalism. It's not — it's in the cited source (see here), although the IGN site censors the quote to "kind of f***** up". I've restored the quote, but I figured it should be discussed here: first of all, does the sentence add anything to the article? And second, does it matter that the source censors the phrase "fucked up" and we don't? I don't have strong opinions on either question, but I figured that someone else might (one way or the other), so here it is. Discuss. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, the The Lord of the Rings article quotes one of Tolkien's peers: "Not another fucking elf!" And Wikipedia isn't supposed to be censored. Though "Bakshi is quoted as saying "Peter Jackson did say ... fucked up." can be reduced to "Bakshi attributed Jackson's change of tone [about having seen Bakshi's version] to his own vocal complaints through interviews." What Bakshi called "fucked up" was Jackson's behavior, not his films. Uthanc 13:35, 11 September 2007 (UTC)