Talk:The Lion King/Archive 2

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Shopping and Fucking?

  • Mark Ravenhill's controversial play Shopping and Fucking refers to The Lion King, albeit not by name, in one scene in which the characters are discussing mythology.

To be honest, I'm not offended by this bit of trivia, but is it really so important as to warrant inclusion? My guess is that a lot of different things have referred to the Lion King, surely we can't (or don't want to) get them all in the article? El Pollo Diablo (Talk) 09:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I could come up with a list of TLK references as long as your arm but very few warrant mention. If we included every obscure little thing the Trivia section would be an article in itself. Blue Phoenix 21:40, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't see why this is removed, yet references in Dr Who, The Office, Home Improvement and The Simpsons are deemed worthy of inclusion. Shopping and Fucking is not an "obscure little thing", it is a very significant piece of theatre which has had a major impact on drama as a whole, being one of the plays that began the "in-yer-face" movement. The reference is thematically important within the play. Therefore, I would argue that this is far more worthy of inclusion than one brief throwaway joke in one episode of a sitcom.HonestTom 12:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Animal Behaviour

The inter-species relationships seem to differ in different scenes. For instance in the opening scene all of the animals bow down to Simba et al and treat the lions as they would a royal family with respect and awe. However Timon's relationship with lions is much closer to real animals where he essentially gets terrified and runs as fast as he can. Timon actually points out the shift between these two realtionships when they are introduced to Nala; and notably Pumbaa is pleased to meet her when she had been trying to eat him moments earlier. Timon's comical observation was probably to show that the writers were conscious of these transitions.


Incidentally, (just so I dont have to bring about a new subject), Timon makes a mistake which is repeated in Lion King 1½ where he refers to his feelings about "carnivores". This is strange because in the Hakuna Matata scene he proves himself to be carnivorous by eating grubs and insects. He most likely meant to say "predators" which prey on other animals. In Lion King 1½ it was most likely a reference to the first film which was placed regardless of inaccuracy.

85.138.88.136 04:00, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Then again, let us remember that this film features animals that talk. I don't think they were going to incredible accuracy. Otherwise, why would prey bow down to their predator? Michaelritchie200 08:44, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Character Section

I noticed in the FA nomination that someone suggested putting the character section into summary form. I think it's a good idea. I'd be glad to do it, unless there are any objections? Kochdude388 01:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

  • While some featured movie articles, such as this have similar character sections such as the current one, I don't think it would hurt to try a different style. Go ahead. PlatformerMastah 00:53, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Plot Summary

How long should the plot summary be? Currently, I think it's at a good length; is the notice still necessary? PlatformerMastah 01:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Impact on popular culture

I believe that the impact on popular culture section is getting a bit too hefty and unnecessary. My question is, should there be a separate article called The Lion King in popular culture? PlatformerMastah 22:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and made the article. Please help add to it! PlatformerMastah 05:50, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Intro

I would switch the order of the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs. Shouldn't the production info come before the mention of the controversy? -- Ssilvers 05:58, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Racism Controversy

My flatmate came back after a lecture about racism yesterday and said that her lecturer had claimed this film (The Lion King) was racist, showing the lions as white and the hyenas as black. Basically, being racist and saying black people are evil - something we certainly do not agree with. We didn't buy this theory but is it worth a mention?

Why the theory doesn't work...

  • The hyenas (black) are led by a lion (white).
  • In the stage show, the lions are played by black actors and the hyenas by white.
  • The lecturer apparently also pointed out that Whoopi Goldberg voices one of the hyenas and therefore they have "black voices". The other two hyenas, though, are voice by white people. Goldberg wasn't even the first choice for the voice. And are we forgetting here that James Earl Jones did the voice of Mufasa?

And, finally,

  • They are all animals. In Africa. Surely, if human, they would all be black?

Don't really know if any of this is worth mentioning in the article. Michaelritchie200 08:54, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

No, it's all original research.WikiNew 16:42, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

No, whereas:

  • The article is on the movie, and does not regard the stage show, unless the article is comparing and contrasting the two.
  • It's original research.
  • Why would Disney make a movie about Africa if they were being racist?

Wpktsfs 19:00, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Lion King IV?

Back in about January or February of this year, there was an article about an upcomming film known as "The Lion King IV", but it was deleted why was that?, and this article also said a tralier for this film was slated to debut with Meet the Robinsons, i didn't se Meet the Robinsons, would anyone who did see it please tell me if a tralier for the Lion King IV appeared?

Please sign your comments with ~~~~. The Lion King IV was confirmed to be a hoax. It was created by someone at a forum I frequent who admitted as much. Blue Phoenix 10:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Lion King IV?

Back in about January or February of this year there was an article for a so called upcoming film The Lion King IV, can anyone tell me if this film is real or a hoax?

Lion King Wiki

I think we should remove the link for the Lion King Wiki. Although it is potentially a good external link, there really isn't much information there (there isn't even an article on Mufasa). Do you agree?Ccm043 16:09, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Not a reliable source or appropriate under WP:EL. Removed. —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 12:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

sega genesis game anyone want a picture?

I can get a picture of the game cartridge for sure, I am unsure if I have the case itself but if I do I will include that in the pic. I do not know how to include pictures but I will figure that out. 70.49.252.14 17:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Third most successful, or fourth?

The article states this:

"It held the record for the most successful animated feature film in history until that record was broken by the computer animated Finding Nemo in 2003. Since Shrek 2 surpassed Nemo's gross in 2004, it now ranks third, still remaining the highest-grossing film using traditional animation. When adjusted for inflation, it is the fourth top-grossing animated film (below Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, One Hundred and One Dalmatians and Fantasia). It also holds the top spot in highest theater average gross in history."

Is that now fourth, after the recent release of Shrek the Third? I heard that broke Shrek 2's record. --Demonesque 06:23, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Just guessing, but Shrek the Third probably broke the opening weekend receipts, not total receipts. While that record might also be broken after a few weeks, I doubt if has already. --Mwalimu59 18:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Jungle Emperor Leo

The following statement was recently added by User:86.140.37.36, who added a similar statement to Kimba the White Lion:

When the 1997 version of the movie Jungle Emperor Leo, the sequal to the Jungle Emperor/Kimba the White Lion series, was dubbed in America, Disney prevented the movie from being screened in cinemas.

Can anyone confirm this? If not, it should probably be removed from both articles. --Mwalimu59 18:02, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and reverted the statements from both articles. If anyone wishes to dispute the removal and can cite reputable sources, feel free to discuss here and/or add them back with citations. --Mwalimu59 21:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Correct voice actor

Robert Guillaume ... Rafiki the Mandrill (voice) according to IMDB --BsayUSD [Talk] [contribs] 19:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Roy Disney allegedly saying Kimba

Check http://cubsimba.lionking.org/lionking.pdf This proves that Disney referred to the protagonist as 'Simba' as early as 1993, the same year that Roy Disney allegedly called him 'Kimba' in a text transcript of an interview that could have easily been faked by some of these Kimba fanatics.

Can we dispense with Black-Helicopter theories? Lighthope 21:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Heresay used as source?

In regards to the following statement under "Controversies: Story Origin":

"Despite the resemblances between the film and the series, neither Disney nor the family of Osamu Tezuka, Kimba's creator, has filed a lawsuit. In fact, when the staff of Tezuka Productions viewed a preview of the Lion King they saw no need to file suit. "If the Disney Co. had gotten a hint from 'The Jungle Emperor,' Osamu Tezuka, a founder of our company, would have been pleased," said president Takayuki Matsutani, "And, we feel the same way, rather than making a claim."[26]"

The footnote references http://www.lionking.org/faq.html#tezuka as its source. However, a read of that website states the following:

"Following is some information brought to my attention, once again, by Matt, which sheds some light on the respective attitudes of the Tezuka and Disney Companies, as well as the storyline of JE."

It then goes on to quote the above alleged statement by Tezuka productions.

The question is, who is this "Matt" person? According to the website, he is named as Matt Robinson, yet his credentials are never listed as far as I can see. And the information is passed from "Matt" to the website writer.

My problem is we have a statement that is held out as coming from Tezuka productions, yet there is no source other than "Matt" whose credentials and reliability are unknown.

Now, I could be completely wrong. I'm just saying that I was unable to find any information on this alleged source from the website. Mayhaps I missed it.

However, based on the above, I question the appropriateness of the statement in the Wiki. Unless someone can verify "Matt Robinson" as an accurate source, I propose the deletion of the above passage from the Wiki.

Lighthope 22:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

The "Adaptation" section

Any opinions about the necessity of this section? Besides a comic, The Lion King also has countless storybook adaptations and a novelization. Are these worth noting? Chris1219 03:33, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Probably not, in my opinion. I was a "Lion King" fan for a few years and would consider some of the fan works that are unlikely to pass muster as notable to be more noteworthy than the comic adaptation. --Mwalimu59 07:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

They aren't notable, but they aren't against the rules either. Plus, plenty of other sites include adaptation when available. So, why is this any different? 71.120.233.114 10:25, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Article name change

I noticed that the name of the article was changed from The Lion King to The Lion King (1994 film). Is this necessary? To my knowledge, there were no other films called simply The Lion King, before or after this particular one. PlatformerMastah 15:57, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

According to IMDB, there is no other movie called that. I have no clue why someone changed the article. It needs to be changed back. Lighthope 17:53, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

I moved the page back to its original name. If anyone has a problem, please let me know. PlatformerMastah 18:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

The person who made the name change, Shanegamer13, also made similar name changes to the articles for Fantasia, Mulan, and Aladdin. Should those be changed back as well? --Mwalimu59 21:14, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if there are any other movies called Aladdin, but certainly there aren't any called Fantasia or Mulan. And Disney's Aladdin is well known enough that, if there are other same-name movies, they should be part of a disambiguation rather than shunting Disney's version to a harder-to-find page. 21:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
I've reverted the renames. The person who did it apparently thought that since several other Disney animated films had titles of that form these should as well. In actuality they only did because in those cases it was necessary to disambiguate them from other films of the same name and/or other uses of the term. --Mwalimu59 21:49, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

foreign voice actors list?

I recently found a site that listed the voice actors of the foreign versions of the lion king. Should a new page be created for the list of voice actors? Or is there a suitable place for the names to be added? 222.154.113.16 09:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Typo; Correct?

Would everybody be okay if I corrected this typo: "Mufasa was the first major Disney character that dies on screen. (The first major Disney character to die was Bambi's mother.)" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwikiwakoo (talk • contribs) 21:46, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Bambi's mother did not die on screen. So the statement is indeed correct. Lighthope 02:52, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
Come to think of it, the first major Disney character to die was actually the Wicked Stepmother in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves. And in fact we never actually saw Mufasa splat on the ground, so he really didn't "die" on screen, either. So maybe the statement that "Mufasa was the first major Disney character that dies on screen." should be removed. Lighthope 02:56, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Lion King/Kimba Controversey

"Despite the resemblances between the film and the series, neither Disney nor the family of Osamu Tezuka, Kimba's creator, has filed a lawsuit."

Why would Disney file a law suit? If The Lion King were plagarized off Kimba the White Lion, they would have no grounds for a law suit since Kimba was created nearly forty years before The Lion King. Only the family of Osamu Tezuka would have grounds to sue. -- Redfarmer (talk) 23:24, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

merge in

So I was "random article"-ing looking for an example of something, anyway thought I would propose a merge in from Pride Lands (The Lion King). Don't care for this topic area myself. User A1 (talk) 12:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

*cough* subliminal messages *cough*

What happened to the subliminal messages controversy?

Maybe someone should add? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.134.227.152 (talk) 11:48, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Good question. It was blanked several days ago by 70.52.44.187 (talk · contribs) without explanation. I just put it back in. If anyone thinks it should stay out, please discuss it here first. That's what talk pages are for. ~EnviroboyTalkContribs - 05:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The Lion Sleeps Tonight

Why isn't The Lion Sleeps Tonight listed under songs? LieAfterLie (talk) 21:14, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Because it's listed under controversies. ~EnviroboyTalkContribs - 21:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)