Talk:The Legend of Zelda: Phantom Hourglass/Archive 2

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Setting section in plot

As one that feels this section is not appropriate but won't delete until we talk about it, here's why I think it shouldn't be part of the article. First, there's no evidence that this is the Great Sea. It's a "sea" for sure, but I don't recall any reference to it. Secondly, the parts of the setting that compare how many parts and islands there are is just a bit too much detail for WP; it is important to note that it based on WW, it has small islands in a vast body of water, but this is already covered by other parts of the article. --MASEM 01:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If it's too detailed mabey you should go over to Great Sea (The Legend of Zelda series) and take it up with them (seriously, I want that article deleted too). And there is no evidence that it isn't the great, at the ending linebecks ship was still sailing around. Saying it is or it is not the Great Sea for now is still speculation. Mabey we could just mention in the section that the setting is possibly not the Great Sea.→041744 13:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I saw what you mentioned in the WW talk page about the Great Sea article, and frankly, that article needs to be deleted - there's nothing notable about the Great Sea outside the game to require its own article (and as it is, it's a game guide about what islands can be found there). A subsection in the WW article that the Great Sea sits atop ex-Hyrule is appropriate and other "historical" notes like that, but specific geography info is too much. --MASEM 13:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Then tell them not me, I'll back you up if you do.→041744 22:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I've put it up for AFD. If anything, the info could be merged to Hyrule or the Wind Waker article, but it can't stand alone. --MASEM 03:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Plot section spoiler tags

I think that some are needed, the plot does have spoilers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.179.19.237 (talk) 04:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Plot sections carry implicit spoilers warnings per WP:SPOILER. --MASEM 04:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I think we might should remove the section (or put a spoiler warning) on the part where it mentions closing the DS to create the map imprint. That part of the game has been mentioned on several gaming websites as one of the most difficult parts to figure out, and it is reqarding to figure it out on one's own, not because you read the right section on Wikipedia. 71.81.40.16 16:11, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

That, I think, is reasonable - unless you've played a couple other games that use that (Trace Memory, Hotel Dusk) its not obvious and its not in the plot section - its more a puzzle solution than anything else, and (best I could tell) was the only non-standard use of the DS in the game. I've removed it. --MASEM 16:25, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Having examined the removed phrase, it seems to me that it's a description of an innovative game feature and as such should appear in the article. It isn't appropriate to remove such information from articles just because they give the solution or ending away. --Tony Sidaway 16:38, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, the other point that I made is that this is only used once in the game, and compared to the number of other game features that it has, stating that one single puzzle could be seen as undue weight. If unique DS use was more frequent as it was in Tracy Memory and where other type of gameplay modes were not as great, then its mention is appropriate. I don't think it changes the impression of the gameplay section in either way (the DS is being used more than just a d-pad and buttons). --MASEM 16:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Box art

Please don't put the European box art back into the article. It makes no sense, we don't have a single other article (at least that I can see) that does that. Knowitall 20:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

There's a clear difference between the NA/AUS and Japan/EU versions; neither version is more "official", really, than the other. We can't have all this editing between the two though, there needs to be a consensus before any more edits are made. Haipa Doragon (talk) 20:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I think that because for 99% of our articles we use only the US box art, I think we should do the same for this one. The only reason it keeps getting added in is because people think it looks better (it does) but that isn't a valid reason. Knowitall 23:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
Two examples: Colin McRae: Dirt (different EU and NA box covers) and Guitar Hero II different covers for different systems. I can argue against not having the EU version, but I see no harm in having both. --MASEM 01:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Hm. That would be awkward though, two box arts should only be added in the case of two similar games (Oracle series or even Pokemon is a good example of this) or if the box arts differ between multiple platforms. Otherwise it just gets confusing. We must reach consensus on which one to use. I really don't mind which one we use and have no strong argument for either. The US one is a resonable choice because most of the other boxarts in article on this series are US versions. But the EU version is also the same one used for the JP version, meaning that it is "used" more, if that makes sense. - .:Alex:. 19:58, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Alex, Knowitall's argument fails - because other articles have US box art doesn't imply all should have US box art. --Soetermans (talk) 19:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Multiplayer

The multiplayer section says that Wind Waker was multiplayer. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Hikikomorix (talk) 01:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I imagine that's talking about the Tingle Tuner? Axem Titanium (talk) 01:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

As of September 30th?

This article states that over 900000 copies of the game had been sold as of Semptember 30, 2007 with 'most of them being sold in Japan'. But this article also states that as of September 30th, Phantom Hourglass was only being sold in Japan. This is not only completely redundant, but entirely outdated seeing as the North American, Australian, and UK release dates are 2 months past. Can anyone come with some more recent figures? --Marshmello 19:58, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

The "as of September 30, 2007" sales figure from [1] is probably the number of copies shipped. --Silver Edge (talk) 07:09, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Linebeck Article

Maybe we could set up an article for Linebeck. Possibly Oshus. Jimblack (talk) 16:16, 4 January 2008 (UTC)Jimblack

Characters that make an appearance in a single game need to show much more notability before we can make articles about them. --MASEM 16:18, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. There's no need for separate articles for either of those characters. Pagrashtak 16:48, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Categorization in both DS and DS-only games

I will note that both based on WP:SUBCAT: When an article is put into a subcategory based on an attribute that is not the first thing most people would think of to categorise it, it should be left in the parent category as well. and discussion at Category talk:Nintendo DS-only games, this game should be both in the DS and the DS-only category. (This is true for nearly all the other -only category, I just haven't processed them all yet). --MASEM 23:18, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Aha, I see it's been noted already. Neeevermind. --MASEM 23:23, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Toon/Windwaker Link in Brawl

We know its true check Smashwiki so whys there not a section on him. BaconBoy914 (talk) 13:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

...because the Phantom Hourglass article is very much not the place to say that a certain Link who's been in five games already is in Brawl.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 19:07, 11 February 2008 (UTC)