Talk:The Lathe of Heaven
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[edit] Archival and comments
As this discussion page has been swamped by lengthy post that fail to make it clear what past or future changes to the article they discuss, I have moved the content to the above linked archive. Feel free to bring back material that still is relevant, but do make it clear in what way it is relevant to our editing process.--Niels Ø 09:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Re CLEAR. Well done, Niels. You make it absolutely clear that these posts failed to make it clear what they discuss. To you, that is.--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 09:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
Re HOMAGE. It is difficult to say who was the first to call our book mistakenly an homage to Philip K. Dick. But you find this repeated everywhere, and so it is only right that it appears also in the article. Besides, there is in truth a touch of Dick in the Lathe. Anyone who has actually read the book, however, knows that had Ms Le Guin wanted to pay homage to Dick, she would have named a major figure, let's say the psychiatrist, Dick or maybe Dickens. Instead, she names the dreamer George Orr, in homage to George Orwell. And just in case that there might be readers so obtuse as not to catch on, she paints the picture of a drab Orwellian police state that has come into being after a revolution in - you guessed it - 1984. That's what is called an homage.--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 09:44, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Dear Bruno
I see from your contributions page that you have made 241 talk page edits, 1 edit to your user page, and no article edits ever. Bringing up difficult questions on a talk page before making the edit in the article is generally a good idea, but I think you would do us all a favour if you started making relevant changes to actual articles. That is what editing wikipedia is about!
I will post the following on Bruno's talk page too.--Niels Ø 10:42, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Re EDITS. Dear Niels, I don't want to give anybody grounds to accuse me once more for dragging other users into off topic conversations on this page. So I hope you'll understand if I post my answer only on my own talk page.--BZ(Bruno Zollinger) 13:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Subsections
I changed some details that were wrong, and also moved up the explanation for the title. And moved down the mention of the nuclear war of 1998, to the point where the story has it.
What I'd like to do next is organise the summary by 'worlds', starting with World One, the initial situation. World Two is the first major change, the population reduction, and on. By my reckoning the final situation is 'World Seven', and the original nuclear-war world is 'World Zero'.--GwydionM 18:18, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:The Lathe of Heaven (DVD cover).jpg
Image:The Lathe of Heaven (DVD cover).jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
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BetacommandBot (talk) 11:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:The Lathe of Heaven (book cover).jpg
Image:The Lathe of Heaven (book cover).jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot (talk) 11:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] "Lathe of heaven" translation
I was perusing some Zhuangzi translations, out of a curiosity to see a more correct version of the passage the title is taken from. I found several, but one in particular caught my eye. It's this one[1], by James Legge, a Scottish scholar from the 19th century. In the link above, if you scroll down to paragraph 7, you'll find that the translation is worded very similarly to the passage LeGuin quotes. The use of the same phrase, "the lathe of heaven," is particularly striking, given that it's apparently incorrect. Could Legge be the source of LeGuin's translation? Surely somebody has some solid information on this that just hasn't made it into the article yet. 206.174.228.113 (talk) 19:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Trivia
Two items have been removed for no good reason. If anything, they have more to do with the work than the stuff that was left. --GwydionM (talk) 16:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
- None of the trivia comments are sourced, most are speculative, and none are particularly interesting anyway. I'm removing the lot; we can surely find more useful content. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 14:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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- "depriving other people" of the idle and unsourced speculation rampant on Wikipedia is doing the project a favour. For now I'll restore the trivia pending sources, but if they don't materialise it'll be removed again. The infobox changes are trivial (the removal of the name is pending an edit to the template code which I'd hoped would have been actioned quicker), but I'll restore the empty attribs if required. In future, please don't revert edits without making it obvious in the edit summary. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
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