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[edit] Bad Edits All Over the Place

I've done a lot of work on this article through the years but it only takes one bad apple -- someone has come in while I was away this summer and hacked this thing to pieces. There are so many leftover words from phrases that have been (often needlessly) removed that the prose is all but unreadable in spots -- just typo after typo after typo. I hope someone else will have the diligence to police this page, the band it chronicles deserves it. But enough is enough -- life is too short. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.167.111.237 (talk) 11:14, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kinks Releases That Should Be Added

There are a few glaring omissions from the Kinks' discography. The 2001 release, BBC Sessions: 1964-1977 should be added, being that every other similar release has its own page. To The Bone a live-in-the-studio CD that the band recorded between 1994 and 1996 should also be added, it featured two new songs as well. I'd do this, but I don't know how. Also, shouldn't each of the bands' singles or notable songs have their own pages? About 50 songs by the Who have their own page, The Kinks only have 5 or so. --Bappzannigan 15:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


I just added Percy. How did this not make the discography? And I agree; To The Bone is important, and the To The Bone version of I'm Not Like Everybody Else was used in the final episode of one of the Sopranos seasons. Dirtypants 11:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Some Funny Guy

A very funny person, or a person who thinks he is very funny sabbotaged this page. "You Really Got My Mother" and the names of the artists of the British Invasion or just two of his jokes. I don't have time to edit it now (school...).

I was just thinking that you should make a page just for Lola and what happened with that song in the US! That song roxs

[edit] Box at Bottom of Page

Could somebody update the box at the bottom of the page (between external links and categories)? I'm not sure how to do it and I think we have all the albums that there aren't currently links to within it. Tangerine 03 13:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Repeated vague mention of "Davies"

Often the article mentions "Davies" without a specification of which of the Davies brothers it is referring to. A brief look at context can sometimes allow the reader to figure it out, but I think it would really help to clarify this and say either "Ray Davies" or "Dave Davies" in these instances. 65.195.133.120 13:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ray Davies also took his toll?

From the disintegration section - "Ray Davies also took his toll and acted as a godfather," - What the hell does this mean? Djbrianuk 13:03, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

My question exactly. We should remove it unless the original author can explain. --Jeff Worthington 16:26, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Drugs?

It says Ray Davies suffered from drug problems but I thought he never took drugs?

[edit] Opinion

An opinion is that The Kinks achieved a meeting of style and content above and beyond that of any Brit band.

[edit] A very English group

Given the Kinks Englishness (or at least London Welshness) wouldn't it be awfully appropriate to translate this article into (UK) English, sorting out the odd Americanisms that have crept in? I do appreciate that you chaps on the other side of the pond are rather fond of ye olde Kinks, but they did start here after all. Another point is this Rock 'n Roll thingy: No-one was using that term for current pop in '64, they were all called Rock Groups at that time, and stayed so until the Band were at the forefront of Bands coming into vogue. I await any response with interest, yours faithfully, ..dave souza 00:23, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

shaww thing, fella. Go ahead.

That makes sense, especially dates in European style (I believe British differ from Americans as well?). I wouldn't remove rock references, just put them in their time. They are considered rock, but at the time pop, so make note of that, I wouldn't remove them from what they are considered today. Also, late Kinks, definitely in the US would be considered rock. Fgren グレン 12:00, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The name

Where does the name come from? Has it got anything to do with kinky, or is that merely a coincidence?

Yes, according to Uncut magazine (I don't recall the edition - it had the Kinks on the cover though!), the name came from the "Kinky" leather accessories they had taken to wearing.

They got the name about the time that The Avengers on TV had made thigh length Kinky Boots very fashionable: and had produced a dodgy single. The Avengers Forever cites Ray Davies in a 1995 interview saying that Dave and Pete wore capes and boots. and a drunk guy at the bar suggested the name: check the link for the story....dave souza 23:55, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Project: Decopyvio

Please help us out in de-copyvioing the article. Many sections were cut-and-pasted straight from The All Music Guide; just take a gander at their bio there and compare it to this article. Where word-for-word (or almost word-for-word) duplication occurs, please amend the article as you see fit (deletion, modification, etc). I've done my part; I think I've gotten all vestiges of copyvio out of the intro and "Early Years" section. (Hopefully someone will double check this for me, though.) Let's join together on this. StarryEyes 12:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I've tried to remove the remaining stolen text in my recent revision. I probably missed some things, so everyone keep an eye out! CKarnstein 06:38, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] sentence meaning?

I don't know what this sentence is trying to say (it's towards the bottom third of the article). If someone is familiar with the material, please fix it. Thanks. Also fuel to the fire added the stormy relationship end between Davies and Chrissie Hynde. Whatthree16 07:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Link to 'John Dalton' the scientist

In the section 'line-ups' the bass-player John Dalton is incorrectly linked to the Scientist John Dalton. The correct link should be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dalton_%28musician%29 as used in the section External links, past members. Would somebody who knows how to do this, be so kind as to introduce this change?

Someone appears to have fixed it. Rodparkes 05:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Who joined first?

This article says that Ray and Dave started the band together and invited Pete Quaife to join them. However, the individual article on Pete Quaife says he and Ray Davies formed the band then Dave Davies joined later. In yet another version, the article on Dave Davies says that Dave and Pete formed the band and were later joined by Ray. Which is correct? Rodparkes 05:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article as been very, very non-NPOV. I've tried to clean this up with my recent revision, but let's all try to be careful about this. It is not NPOV to gush over the band, their songs, or albums, no matter how great they were. CKarnstein 06:42, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New

From the most recent section: "Amazingly, 'Other People's Lives' gave Ray Davies his first top 40 album chart success in the UK for almost 40 years, The Kinks last album of 'new' material was 'Something Else by The Kinks' in 1967." WHAT?!? Someone please explain to me how the last album of new material was Something Else?

[edit] Hungerford bridge??

I always thought Waterloo Sunset was talking about Waterloo Bridge, not Hungerford. Is there any reason to identify it as Hungerford Bridge? Bluewave 21:49, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and a surf of the internet seems to support this here and on the Waterloo Bridge and Waterloo Sunset pages. In any case, I think the sunset from Hungerford Bridge would be a bit rubbish because of the adjacent railway line, and the song should have been called Charing Cross Sunset. I'll change it, although in the absense of conclusive proof either way, it might be safer not to specify which bridge at all. Dw290 14:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Introductory paragraph

I've had a go at restructuring the first paragraph. The old version more or less defined the Kinks in terms of the "British Invasion" - a term that is totally meaningless outside the US. So have moved reference to the Davies brothers earlier and de-emphasised the british invasion. Bluewave 10:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

I've given this a going over, primarily to remove POV and add refs. I'm going to give the rest of the article the same treatment, once I dig out my Mojos and Record Collectors. All this needs is a good tidyup and it could be FA quality in no time--KaptKos 14:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Kinks personnel

I have removed the lengthy "The Kinks personnel" section. This did not display properly (it was partially covered by the album covers), took up a lot of space, and was redundant and excessively detailed for an encyclopedia article. CKarnstein 06:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Bah. And I'm here to ask for a personnel section, which imho all articles on long running bands with many lineups changes should have. I'll have to dig into the history to see what was zapped... --kingboyk 23:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia and Facts

I added the section "Trivia and Facts" to the bottom of the page. I hope more people add any interesting facts about the Kinks (or bandmembers) to it in the near future.--Bappzannigan 22:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rock music WikiProject

Shouldn't the Kinks be part of the Rock music WikiProject? The Who are, why aren't the Kinks? Is it that they just haven't gotten around to adding them? Can anybody arrange for the Kinks to be part of that? Thanks--Bappzannigan 14:40, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rehearsals for tour?

I heard a rumor from an insider that there have been some rehearsals going on with Ray and Dave Davies and talk of a tour. I believe Rodford is involved as well. Any other info? googuse 18:26, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lola

Should Lola Vs. Powerman be included in the list of highly regarded albums at the start of the article? Various reviews and websites such as All Music rate it very highly and it is on Amazon's list of essential recordings. I didn't want to add it with out asking, if we think it should I can link the Amazon and All Music sites.204.73.103.253 23:11, 25 April 2007 (UTC) Definitely second that motionJatrius (talk) 15:46, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SNL appearances

The Kinks performed Saturday Night Live three times during this period, further adding to their resurgent popularity. They first performed for SNL in 1977 during the famous "Mardi Gras" episode, then again in 1981, and one final time in 1984.

The Kinks 1977 appearance on SNL singing Lola was taped in New York with Steve Martin hosting. Where this idea of them being on the Mardi Gras show comes from is beyond me but it's erroneous in any case and should be removed.VanIsleDD 16:37, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Surely that should read ON Saturday Night Live. I don't know a song of that name.Jatrius (talk) 16:02, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox edit war

Hey, before this turns into a revert war, it seems like the standard for a band that fits into different genres is to have a list, not a slash. Gimme danger 07:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Solo work

Since this page is getting rather long, I think the section on solo work should be moved to individual member pages, with appropriate notes on solo work in the history section. Any thoughts? Gimme danger 14:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. Other contributors are still adding to this section. It should be covered in depth under the individual members' entries with appropriate "see also" links here. I'd do it myself, but I don't have time right now. Rodparkes 02:09, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citations & References

See Wikipedia:Footnotes for an explanation of how to generate footnotes using the <ref(erences/)> tags Nhl4hamilton (talk) 06:01, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] "English" or "British" band?

The question has arisen over on the page for The Beatles as to whether the band should be described in the lead as "English" or "British". Since the discussion there has implications for this article as well, contributors to the Kinks article are invited to provide their input and vote in the poll found here. Thanks, Robert K S (talk) 18:10, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Touring

I do not read anything about their touring in various European countries here

[edit] U.S. Ban

There are a couple mentions of the ban in the U.S. but I do not see any explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.147.91.177 (talk) 15:24, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

It says this, which seems sufficient (there is no definitive reason for the ban):
"Following the summer 1965 American tour, the American Federation of Musicians refused permits for the group to appear in concerts in America for the next four years, cutting the Kinks off from the main market for rock music at the height of the British Invasion. [7] Although neither the Kinks nor the Union gave a specific reason for the ban, at the time it was widely attributed to their rowdy on-stage behaviour. [8]" - DavidWBrooks (talk) 16:58, 24 March 2008 (UTC)