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Contents 1 Remove 1.1 Martian Origins? 2 Hogarth and Dash 3 Synopsis 4 Great Movie 5 Vin Diesel's Voice Work 6 Pronoun Problems 7 Sources for use 8 GA 9 Further reading 10 Negative Review 11 Formatting note.

[edit] Remove

Removed "One of the more criminally underrated films in the world." I happen to agree, but assertions like this at least need to have a justification in order to be NPOV. arj 13:44, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Martian Origins?

I think anyone who saw the movie agrees with the deep 60-ish feel everything has -- including the Giant in its Attack mode. Maybe it's just the POV of a tonza brazilian guys, but everyone here agrees the Giant is surely martian.

What we present as proof is its visuals and 'energy guns', commonly associated to them in Atomic Horror movies of the time. The firing pods at the end of its 'tentacles' coming from his back are just screaming that. I think it worths a mention, even if only in this talk page.

The Giant's back-tentacle rayguns were influenced by War of the Worlds artistry. -Lyinginbedmon, 09/11/2007 15:03 —Preceding comment was added at 15:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hogarth and Dash

I noticed that Hogarth and Dash from The Incredibles look very simmilar. This is probably because both movies were directed by Brad Bird. Should this be mentioned in the article?

There's a character named Hogarth in The Incredibles? Did I just over look that character or what? Not being sarcastic if I come off that way, just asking.

No, Hogarth looks like Dash. There's no Hogarth in The Incredibles. Aaronstj 04:24, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that Dash resembles Hogarth at all! I'm removing that sentence unless a reliable source comparing the two can be found. Voretus 18:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes! Hogarth and Dash look just like each other, mainly in their faces. Imagine Hogarth in an Incredibles outfit... dogman15 05:09, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Synopsis

Reference to the deer "cruelly killed for sport." I changed that to "killed by hunters." We don't know their motivation, and the kill appears to be clean, competent, during hunting season and with the expectation of eating it. "Cruel" is opinion and not relevant. The robot would be upset with any death.Mzmadmike 14:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Where do you get "the expectation of eating it"? That is your assumption.

[edit] Great Movie

Man, This was an awesome movie. They really should make a sequel. Fatandlazy11 22:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Am I the only one who noticed that there was A LOT of cursing in this movie? --Jnelson09 02:24, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there was much swearing. Voretus 18:10, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw Bambi in that sequence. Any possibility that the script might have been influenced by that film? --Dumarest 20:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vin Diesel's Voice Work

Does anyone know if/what kind of audio effects were applied to Vin Diesel's lines? I always wondered if he provided the metallic tones or if that was audio engineering. 128.113.148.163 17:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

It was definitely enhanced, but I don't remember how, or where I encountered that fact. I'll check my DVDs next time I watch the film. --JohnRDaily 21:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pronoun Problems

I don't like the fact that this article refers to the Giant as an "it" and not "he". That really irks me. Are there any repercussions (sp?) for replacing all "it"s with "he"s in relation to the Giant? -dogman15 05:11, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, other than being voiced by a male actor, do you have any reason to believe the robot is a male? Changing the personal pronouns to anything gender-specific seems unencyclopedic to me. Hogarth may think of the robot as a "he" but the robot is a machine. Machines are "its" whether they show emotion or not. ROG 19 12:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Unless we somehow find credible and reliable footage of what part the Giant plays in the reproduction of his genus/design, I don't think we can apply any gender to it without anthropomorphosizing it based on it's physical characteristics. Therefore: It -Lyinginbedmon, 09/11/2007 15:06

[edit] Sources for use

• Warner Revamps Ad Campaign For The Iron Giant
• The Iron Giant Produces A Thud
• Kids Drive Movie Market
• Interview: Brad Bird
• Iron Giant, The: How do you hide a 50-foot robot from your mom?
• More McCanlies, Texas
• A Giant Among Animators
• Iron without irony
• Interview with Tony Fucile
• Sky Captain: An Interview with Robots Producer Jerry Davis
• Cinematic Pleasures: The Iron Giant
• From Iron Giant to The Incredibles: The Incredible World of Brad Bird
• A Gun with a Soul: Brad Bird on The Iron Giant
• Iron Lion: An Interview with Tim McCanlies
• Article search

Wildroot 23:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA

The Iron Giant is a very well written article, with plenty of illustrations. However, the article has less refs than I would have liked, but not enough to fail the article (I almost did fail this article). Congratulations to all who contributed to this article! RC-0722 (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Hey, thanks man! I still intend to use those references listed above. Don't worry. Wildroot (talk) 22:05, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Further reading

I think the further reading section listing Ted Hughes books is relevant to the article. It may be an animated movie, but it was based on the book by Ted Hughes originally. I would like the section put back again. Stellar (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 07:49, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Negative Review

Is all that business about a negative review really important or significant? It's from a no account editor from an obscure website (rank 360,106 on Alexa), and it's just plain obnoxious. It doesn't fit the article or add anything useful, and seems like a personal plug. I'm planning to remove it. Thoughts?24.226.20.41 (talk) 07:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I think including the negative review balances out the many positives. While 90%+ were positive it is still not balanced if some other views are excluded. I agree they should be included. Stellar (talk) 08:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

When I started work on this article I couldn't really find any other logical negative articles from some looser of TheMovieBoy.com As Wikipedia, we should included different perspectives, however I look back and wouldn't mind if someone deleted it. It was really the only negative review I could find, it's just the fact that this film is so good I guess, I don't know. Wildroot (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Upon reevaluation, I still think the guy is a total loser/jerk, but I think it was prudent to include a negative review. The Washington Post did a negative review. Maybe I'll add some mention of that if I can hunt it down.24.226.20.41 (talk) 22:21, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting note.

The studio that released this film is "Warner Bros.", not "Warner Brothers". The studio does not spell out the name in any of its official documentation, on its website, etc.

Also, there is very little information on the actual production of the film (not even a listing of the head animators). Until I added it, there wasn't even a mention of Warner Bros. Animation, which is akin to not mentioning Pixar in an article about Toy Story. This would need to be addressed if the article is to move beyond good status. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 17:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)