Talk:The Idiot (novel)

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I just copied the text from the "The Idiot" page, instead of moving it, when disambiguating. I now found out that this is the wrong thing to do, sorry. For page history, you must therefore check out the page history on the original page. Mortene 11:08, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm going to expand the themes section when I have more time and after I've went back and read over the book more thoroughly. Stilgar135 00:36, 28 May 2005

  • I might be able to add to this article, though it's been awhile since I've read it. A lot more could be written about it, certainly. I'll see what I can do. J. Karamazov (Talk) April 23, 2006

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[edit] Translations

I see no mention is made of the various translations of this book to English . I know of at least seven. Do you think this article should have an "English Translations" section? --Bruce1ee (Talk) 08:41, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've added a section "Translations to English" and included the translations I know of, although I'm not sure if all the dates are correct - could someone please check! --Bruce1ee (Talk) 14:17, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I recently dug my copy out of storage. It makes the following claims:
Copyright © '1969' by Henry and Olga Carlisle
Introduction Copyright © '1969' by New American Library
Bibliography Copyright © '1980' by New American Library
An ISBN lookup of (0-451-52094-7) reveals the correct book, but the year '1986' - sigh, even more confusion.Fehlschlag 07:23, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with The Idiot (TV series)

Support. The Idiot (TV series) is a 1 line stub and can easily be merged into this article. In fact the text of the stub is already contained here. --Bruce1ee 04:26, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Analysis

I think the weakest point in this article is the analysis section, which seems to me to be -- if you'll excuse my unintended harshness -- superficial and, at points, completely misguided. For example, it is more than an oversimplification to simply state that Rogozhin "loves Nastasya with a deep passion." I also think its misleading to identify Rogozhin with the Devil; my reading of the text is that while he certainly represents an evil force, he is not himself an evil person: Dostoevsky seems to be arguing that he has been corrupted. This leads me to think that this section is really just a string of one reader's own personal thoughts on the novel, in which case it might be better to simply remove the whole thing immediately and start again from scratch.

When I have enough time I'll try to put something together that draws on interpretations by Dostoevsky scholars themselves (and with, of course, proper citations). Until then, I hope some other people can contribute something more coherent to this section. --Todeswalzer 21:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rogozhin: his surname and background

Cf the Analysis section. First and foremost the assertion that 'Rogozhin' alludes to 'rog' ('Horn' in Russian) is absolutely wrong: he may be horny type indeed however his surname is clearly derived from 'rogozha' (ru:Рогожа, meaning kind of thick and crude cloth in Russian). Other point that can be relevant to his background is that in conversation Myshkin guesses that he can be of Old Believers origin, and surprized Rogozhin answers that the prince is almost correct: indeed, his father held Old Believers in high esteem saying that Following their way will be "more correct". Finally it can be discussed whether the whole analysis of Rogozhin is in need of improvement but IMHO the suggested revamp better should be done on scope of the entire article. DBWikis 15:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Another thing you might like to include would be a brief analysis of the symbolism in the book - and also a discussion of the Hans Holbein (the Younger) painting (I think it's "Christ in the Tomb") with a link to the pic if possible. -A

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Idiot.JPG

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taken care of. SECProto 15:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


there isnt enough of details added. there is nothing said about either Ippolit or other people such as the Yepachins and others, not even mentioned. They, arguably, play a very imporatant role in the story. More details should be added —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.126.130.26 (talk) 03:18, 8 April 2008 (UTC)