Talk:The Hobbit (2011 film)

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[edit] Moved from Talk:Lord of the Rings Prequel

It is not 100% clear, but this article is not talking about The Hobbit (2009 film), but appears to be talking about another, unnamed, film that could use other LotR-related material. Probably so speculative that it should be merged with Peter Jackson, or the article linked above. In fact, the prequel is already mentioned at The Hobbit (2009 film), so I'll redirect it there. Carcharoth 13:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Redirect created and above content from talk page moved here. Carcharoth 13:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Raimi

Thought this might be of some use. Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2009?

Where does this date come from? So far this has been no official word of The Hobbit beginning production at all, and until that happens, no date is appropriate. 69.210.66.153 15:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Probably due to its IMDb page. IMDb always attached some kind of release year, even when none has been announced. So 2009 is a false assumption. —Erik (talk • contrib • review) - 15:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Is this article premature?

According to Wikipedia guidelines, "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is almost certain to take place." Have we really reached that point with this movie? Celedor15 20:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The movie will almost certainly be made. Details such as cast are however currently unknown. We also do not know which studio will make it, whether or not Peter Jackson will direct it and many other essential details you would expect to find in such an article. Maybe we should call this article "The Hobbit (film) controversy" and just update it every-so-often as new developments happen. Enviroboy 18:03, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Prequel to LOTR?

Wait; ANOTHER prequel project to LOTR, alongside The Hobbit, is also in the works? There is another book? The Hobbit IS the only prequel -- unless this other prequel will be an entirely new story (not based on anything). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.12.38.25 (talk) 12:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC).

There is The Silmarillion but it's not really a story; more like a collection of stories and many, many possible plotlines for another prequel to LOTR. Timberlax 03:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I heard a couple things. One I heard is they were going to make The Hobbit two films. I think the other was they were going to make a movie of things that happened offscreen or was mentioned in The Hobbit, or something like that. Flamingtorch372 01:59, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Films rights section

I made a separate film rights section seeing how the article was getting a little too dense for one section -Timberlax 07:23, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation for use

Something that shows Raimi is interested. Alientraveller 07:54, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Footnotes

I updated the citations in footnote format to make the references easily accessible and readable. -Timberlax 23:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Announcement

I like how the first line in the article boldly states that the film has been announced. Of course, the footnote shows that the company that did the announcing doesn't even hold the rights to make it. I'm not blaming the person who sourced this; I just think MGM overstepped their bounds. I still don't think The Hobbit will happen in 2009. I think MGM just wishes it would and set aside money for it. Celedor15 12:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

I actually heard for some reason, they decided not to make the movie. Did they change their mind? --LtWinters 01:49, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup - July 2007

This article needs some work. I have tried to clean up the rights ownership section. It needs sources and contains a lot of unverified information. The production history section needs a lot of work and is far too convoluted than it should be. It also rambles. A lot of the "star power" information should be removed to focus exclusively on the wranglings of getting the film produced. What Chris Lee or Elija Wood think really isn't relavant to the subject as they are not directly involved. --Lendorien 14:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I've kept track of news headlines via Google Alerts about this project, so if you want, I can dump them here. (See similar activity at Talk:Sunshine (2007 film)#Potentially usable headlines and Talk:Pan's Labyrinth#Headlines to use.) —Erik (talk • contrib) - 14:41, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Ha. This article doesn't need work. It needs to be deleted. There's no film being made, and there won't be a film being made. Not for a long time at least. What we have right now are studios and fans bickering and wishing. By the way, if someone can tell me where the December 2009 release date comes from, I'd be really interested. 69.215.137.9 23:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
If anything, the article should be merged. Attempted development of this film was a widely-covered event, so that information should not vanish from Wikipedia. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 02:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, though a lot of work needs to be done on this. The merge destination would probably be The Hobbit. As for the questions from others, the article has sources that give a possible 2008/2009 release date. See this German one for instance. The 1 December 2009 is not actually a release date, but is the date that the film rights change hands due to expiration of said rights. Again, see the article for details. This makes the title misleading, so a merge is definitely needed. Carcharoth 02:20, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

As I said, Ive heard they cancelled the movie.--LtWinters 19:25, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] To Do List

  • Rewrite Production History section in better chronological order, cutting out extranious details.
  • Source where citations are needed.

[edit] Citation for use

This article may need to be completely rewritten. In the meantime, here's another article showing hope for the film:

"Eager to move ahead with "The Hobbit," New Line has quietly been trying to mend fences with "Rings" filmmaker Peter Jackson, who has sued the company over his share of profits from the first "Rings" films. When asked if it was true that company insiders had been in talks with Jackson's reps, Shaye replied, "Yes, that's a fair statement. Notwithstanding our personal quarrels, I really respect and admire Peter and would love for him to be creatively involved in some way in 'The Hobbit.'" Alientraveller 09:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 2009

This article does not belong at (2009 film). That implies that it will be coming out then, but the fact is there is nowhere near a confirmed date. I propose to move this article elsewhere, although I admit I'm not sure where. Would 'The Hobbit (upcoming film)' be wrong? -Joltman 10:44, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

It's been merged with The Hobbit. Carcharoth 21:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Headlines


[edit] Changed from a redirect

The trilogy page is overlong, the films are officially a "go" for New Line & Jackson, so the film(s) deserve their own page. I pulled the prequel info from the trilogy page, put an 'upcoming' tag on this page, and set it up. Future news stories and production information should go here, not on an overextended subsection of the trilogy page. Pejorative.majeure (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Wrong. Shooting starts in 2009. Alientraveller (talk) 16:46, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
This is ridiculous - Wikipedia says "Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is almost certain to take place." This event is quite certain, the film will be at least produced, the announcement of December from the film studios and producers makes this clear, cf. the official site / blog [1]. Time to put the article back here, and start developing properly. Buckfast1973 (talk) 19:45, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
We're including the event, but we're just not giving it its own article per the notability guidelines for future films. If filming begins, which is not a guarantee as reflected by the dynamic nature of the film industry, then the article can be created. It really is not "quite certain" as you say, unfortunately. The Hobbit already ran into trouble when there was a lawsuit between PJ and New Line. There's no indicating that something like that or another factor can get in the way before actual production goes underway. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Considering another lawsuit was filed this week, please don't count your chickens before they hatch. Alientraveller (talk) 20:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I didn't notice that. This substantiates the point I was trying to make. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 20:21, 12 February 2008 (UTC)